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| evilboy Unregistered User (9/8/01 1:02:36 pm) Reply |
the secret of monkey
island
I've developed a radical new theory about the ending of monkey island 2. if you MI3 and MI4 (which wern't written by ron gilbert) then this sort of makes sense. I recently read in an interview this: "In fact, you'll see when you play that there are a lot of anachronisms, like the vending machine at Stan's used ship yard. They're there to add humor to the game of course, but they also have a secret, deeper relevance to the story -- but I'm keeping that secret for the sequel." this got me thinking about what it really means in both MI1 and MI2. If you remember, on phatt island there is a pump that controls the waterfall, and underneath was a "maintanance access" tunnel leading to the little offshore island, almost like a fairground attraction. remember that the games were inspired by "the pirates of the carribean" ride, and ron gilber always "wished I could get off and wander around, learn more about the characters, and find a way onto those pirate ships". So my line of thinking is this: all the islands in monkey island 1 and 2 are huge truman-show-like theme park attractions. this would explain why there were underground tunnels connectiong dinky island and meelee island and why guybrush ended up at the carnival at the end of monkey island 2. All big whoop was is access between the two worlds: the "real" world and the fair ground ride (remember what the voodoo lady says back on scabb island on act 1 about big whoop beiong a link to another dimension) i thought these details were just jokes until i read that interveiw, but now im not so sure... oh, and the secret of monkey island could be that it is just another part of the ride being developed but got "discovered" by lechuck and the canibals and herman et al. anyways...... |
| Evilboy Unregistered User (9/8/01 1:04:27 pm) Reply |
*note*
*note* this only works if you ignore how the ending of MI2 was explained by the writers of CMI, who didn;t have a clue what it ment either... |
EvenWolf
 Expert (9/8/01 1:46:24 pm) Reply  |
Re: *note*
that's a nice interpretation. That would really have freaked me out tho, lol. *thinks* had RonG really not only based the series on the pirates on the ride, but actually based the whole thing on the ride...could be. But there was always that theory that " i want to be a pirate" was just a little boy's imagination (guybrush) as he and his brother ran thru an amusement park (explaining why he and lechuck were turned back into kids as reality set back in). I like the Phatt island tunnel theory "whats this tunnel doing in a pirate game?" but there are still some loose ends like "why is guybrush an adult if its not his imagination?" anyways, that's a really thought provoking idea, and i thank you for it "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/8/01 1:52:06 pm) Reply |
Re: *note*
yeah, and this theory could tie up why the same scene was used with both Booty Island and Big Whoop fair grounds...altho i'm not quite sure what it means if its not little guybrush's imagination afterall. Hmm, damn now I won't be able to sleep...and i'm going to have to play MI2 over again, hehe. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Dark
Stalkey AGS User (9/8/01 2:59:03 pm) Reply |
*note*
Ill suppose we'll never know untill ron decideds to spill the beans 
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| EvenWolf
Expert (9/8/01 8:37:16 pm) Reply |
Re: *note*
well we can still ponder "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/8/01 11:54:55 pm) Reply |
kjnoop
Hmmm. So when Guybrush first enters the lookout at the beginning of MI1 and says "I want to be a pirate", what he's saying is that he entered the ride as a kid who well, wanted to be a pirate. That makes a sick amount of sense. The only thing of course, would be kid Lechucks evil lighting bolt eyes. Unless... LeChuck is a character from the "ride" who for some reason actually developed a hatred for guybrush and follows him out of the ride and into the real world. Wow. That would have been one hell of an MI3. |
Las
Naranjas  Moderator (9/9/01 1:08:41 am) Reply  |
Re: kjnoop
Ron said that he wouldn't tell us because we'd all say "Geez, that was dumb" So it was probably a cop out of some form. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
Helm21
 Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 1:45:46 am) Reply  |
Re: kjnoop
WOW!Then all the distorted anti-historical pirate thing presented in MI1 is Guybrushes imagination? That would work.that would really work! -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/9/01 1:52:27 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
I love this theory, it has opened my mind to all that is monkey...every joke can now have a new meaning. Man, im about to tear my face off over this. Oh and bythe way evil, tell us if we are misinterpreting you somehow "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 1:58:09 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Yeah!this actually gives ESSENCE to MI2! Comedy turns into psychological mind-@#%$! -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/9/01 2:39:37 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
I'm going to replay MI2 now, and I'll be analyzing the game from this perspective to see what works/not works because I was so little at the time....I'm wondering now if maybe its not just Guybrush's imagination, but maybe some alter-ego or subconscious in his piratey head, hehe...which might explain why a vending machine or box of kids cereal slips in every once and a while. Anyways, I'll be taking alot of reports, and guys if anyones really excited about this, lets keep it low profile until we can establish some rock hard evidence. Again, damn good work Evilboy. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
sylfer
 Posts too much (9/9/01 3:09:35 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Pirates of the caribean eh? That ride has a wierd history...Micheal Jackson supposedly liked the ride so much he had it built in his basement... Now it is the framework for Mi...(theory) I think im gonna hafta take a trip to disney land! --- EDIT! --- After playing through monkey island (To the point were elaine gets kidnapped) Somethings I've noticed, or questions I have. I may be reading into your theory a little to much but take the following as you will. (Note: I have never beaten Mi, or Mi2...in fact this is the farthest I have ever gotten in the game...so my points might be wacky) 1.) Your prize for beating The swordsman is a T-Shirt, your prize for the Treasure hunt...a T-shirt. Whats the general prize at an amusment park? A t-shirt...or some other cheesy thing, like a poster...over sized stuffed animal...so on. 2.) Melee Island allways has the Trademark (Small TM) Symbol by it...I dont know why (You Mi experts might now) But A bit of theory could say the it is trademark to the people who run the amusement park...Unless somebody knows why the obsessive use of Trademark symbols. 3.) Not exactly a point but something I dont really understood, The intro to Secret of monkey island...there is no background...no guiding idea...basically a guy walks from the other side of a mountain and says 'My name is guybrush threepwood, I want to be a pirate...' Nobody else finds this a bit odd for an intro...? We get no history to this character. how did he get on the island in the first place? Ill be searching for more points...add what you like (Or call me a fool and prove them wrong).... at: 9/9/01 6:38:22 am |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/9/01 7:05:28 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
thanks for helping out Syph, good point on the T shirts, that's the kinda stuff im talkin about. Yeah i always took the (tm) as a little joke but it probably does have deeper meaning. As for Guybrush's history, yeah I actually liked how guybrush was just like "OK , Im here- now make me into a pirate." But that probably does figure in somehow to him daydreaming or whatever it is. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| sylfer
Posts too much (9/9/01 7:24:44 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Happy to help...finding little things like this is what I like best...But Even where da heck did you go...im stuck talking to roger...and he isnt much of the compasionit hunk that I remember. I think the time away has changed him. |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/9/01 9:38:08 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
hehe i stayed in there after you pinged out, then got bored , and then my sister and her damn freecell O' hell sweeped me out again! "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Nostradamus Expert (9/9/01 10:06:51 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
That's a very interesting theory... sounds really good, you're not evilboy, you're geniusboy! You found a lot of supposed evidence which makes sense.. Although the main question is if Guybrush is just a kid imagining all this... why is it so hard for his to succeed? Why does his ship crew rebel him? Why does the piece of map from Elaine's house keep flying elswehere? And why would his parents be dead and he would remove his own dad's head off his skeleton? It could be he imagined that to make it more interesting for himself, but it looks maybe too much... Let's see if we can find more evidence or anti-evidence... Maybe all this will be explained in the next sequel for MI - The Conspiracy of Monkey Island. Success and prosperity will befold AGS, thus sayeth the great Nostradamus. |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 10:43:42 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
hmm, why does he make it so hard for himself? well let me just spaurt a few random thoughts squal-style: 1.yes, first of all there must be a plot (evil dead pirates help with this sort of thing, as well as making puzzles continue even after you think youve solved them. 2.And, we haven't quite determined Guybrush's fantasy state(is it a Truman-like world with the only spectator as Guybrush? or is it a dream/fantasy/subconsciuos?) Well, if its the first of the two , we know that whoever is putting Guybrush through this wants it to be interesting-like Ed Norton's character in Truman Show)..personally this version of the theory confuses me. But if Guybrush is dreaming/ hallucinating, that doesn't necessarily mean that he controls it. I'm sure there's no need for further explanation but allow me to present an example : I have dreams everynight. I remeber fragments every time I wake up, and I have never been able to control my dreams, almost every single one of my dreams HAS conflict...and you know what? I love it. I had a dream someone pointed a shotgun at me and I was able to talk them down, I love those kinds of things, they subconsciously build character. And as far as dreams go, I find that if a person is shy(for example) in real life, he's still going to be shy in his dreams- So for Guybrush, he blunders up everything, he can't help it or control it because it's not really him but his subconscious thats deciding what happens next. Phew, can you telll I love this stuff? I can just imagine the ppl who skim these threads and say to themselves," What weirdoes..they think Ron Gilbert was a philosopher or something." oh and that reminds me, what was that philosophy on Dinky Island that Herman sybolized with colors? "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/9/01 11:06:50 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
wow, looks like i've hit gold with this one btw, i am actually evilboy, for some reason whenever i tried to log on as my proper name at work it kept bringing up a filtered page i never would have thought about the MI games in this way untill i read that interview. i was also thinking that maybe guybrush was lost at the theme park at a really small age, hence he didn't know he was in a theme park ride. it still doesn't explain the voodoo buisness though |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/9/01 11:22:22 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Guybrush and Elaine are brother and sister. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 11:50:05 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
the voodoo buisness could be the naive way children symbolise evil.Gubrush mightave seen something in the amusement park that triggered that info to sunmerge.thats easy, whats tough,are the lemonhead goodie goodie cannibals. ... -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 11:53:59 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
voodoo lady always helps him, knows everything about him. Could she in fact, be another part of him? "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 11:55:29 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
awesome dude! -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 11:56:47 am) Reply  |
Re: kjnoop
There only one thing that disproves this theory... At the end of Monkey Island 2, when Guybrush and Chuckie(LeChuckie as a kid) are walking off with their parents, Chuckie's eyes glow with a strange kind of lightning... Either a) He's possesed b) He's still really LeChuck... Keep in mind also that Elaine is still at the lagre hole you blew up, saying "Where is Guybrush? I hope LeChuck didn't cast a voodoo spell on him..." It's kinda like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey... Who knows what they were thinking... I'm sure Ron Gilbert had other plans... But I guess we'll never know...
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 11:59:54 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
just throw a large obsidian stab and some psychedelic lighting effects.That should do the trick! -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 12:04:35 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Monkey Island 2001: A Cutthroat Odyssey...
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 12:10:36 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
ok, here we go...this ain't solid but: As for Evil chuckie, im lookin into it, but here goes for Elaine's ponderance: Ok, remember in this theory, Elain is not a physical being that Guybrush left behind, but rather a figment in his mind. Think of her as like a child's innocence as he becomes a man. She was something that he really enjoyed but at a certain time in life, he had to face "reality" and leave her and the pirate dream behind him. So, she still exists, but has been put back into Guybrush's deep subconscious, which means she could rise up again later. And since Elain only exists in Guybrush's head, she doesn't know about "reality" so she would assume that LeChuck has done something horrible. note- I realize that I'm really directing this towards the inner mind thing...which is merely my take on it so far...anyone taking this from the Truman show perspective? Someone should. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 12:26:01 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
But, if Elaine exists in Guybrushes subconscience, then what is she still doing in the jungle, standing over the hole... still dressed in all her clothing... with that scarf still on her head... Also, if she really IS a subconscience element, does that mean Guybrush had a thing for older women (in their twenties) at the age of 10??? Man, puberty is going to be STRANGE for this kid... Sure, you could give a very 'Being John Malkovich' theory here, but we'll never really know. This whole post is akin to University film professors analysing Hitchcock's films... And like Hitchcock, you can only wonder what Ronny was thinking...
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 12:28:40 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
lol, youre right we'll never know. But this is fun for me! And Elaine: in this version of theory the whole carribean exists within Guybrush's head, including Elaine and her clothing, the mind cant delete memory, it merely buries them under a thick cloudy goo, hehe. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 12:28:40 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Hey!Mayhap elaine is based on some teacher or something.Dont forget we all had crushes on teachers.Besides,GB sees himself as an adult physically in MI1,thus elane comes to complement that image.Thats easy. [image]http://www.tbns.net/helm/skydivergod.gif[/image] "For God, will Skydive to your aid" Edited by: Helm21 at: 9/9/01
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| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 12:40:04 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
But if she's buried in his subconscience, how come she's in the same place she was... Why isn't she floating around all of Guybrush's other subconscience stuff going "Guybrush!!! Guuuuybrush!!! Saaaaave meeee! i'm in yoooouuurrrrr miiiinddd!!!"
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 12:43:54 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Because we need a sequel thats why.
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 12:45:23 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
lol, hehe, hahaha. But she doesnt know shes not real, silly. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 12:50:03 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
I concur. Get Ron Gilbert on the phone!
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| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 12:52:10 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
But WE can see her and she's standing perfectly normal, and not swirlling in a blue subconscience votrex akin to the Day of The Tentacle time warp scene...
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 12:58:03 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
does that prove anything? I dont think so.
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| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/9/01 1:01:11 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
i don't think that it's all in guybrush's mind, i think it's more of a truman show type thing.... all the characters don't know that they're a theme park attraction, but think it's real. and certian accidents have lead to some of the characters finding out.... |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 1:04:52 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Then how come in the MI1 Herman Toothrot speaks to the player and Guybrush asks who he's speaking to, and can't see the player too... I'm sure being trapped in a Truman Show amusement park wouldn't be so much of a big suprise compared to a giant square with some nob player looking directly at Guybrush... Big Player is watching!!
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 1:06:36 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
ah so you think LeChuck and his crew fell upon the evidence on Monkey Island, interesting. I'll have to take this into deep consideration. Do you think that maybe, the glare in his eye means that somehow he learned how to use the Big Whoop (alternate reality)to his advantage? and if so, does his obsession with Elaine correlate? "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 1:09:31 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
No... I just think Ron Gilbert should have made a proper sequel to explain things better...
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| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/9/01 1:11:30 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
yup come on, lets send a posse round to ron's house to rough him up a bit |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 1:11:54 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
ok,ok - obviously were not going to be able to figure every single detail in..I mean, how many ppl worked on this game? Unless they were really strict, some stuff is going to slip by. This could either be a slip which has no significance.....or...well i don't know just yet. edit-- altho Herman could be an exception, he is a hermit. Maybe they flew him in as soon as they realized guybrush was sailing towards the egde of the dome....no wait. um huh? hehe, perhaps herman is like Truman's dad... "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com Edited by: EvenWolf
at: 9/9/01 1:15:06 pm |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 1:25:21 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Right and Ron Gilbert was Christof... And the Fetaicini Bros were those two annoying twins that would bug Truman in the street...
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 4:33:54 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
I have a knuclebreaker.Im in for the war posse!
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| Esseb Expert (9/9/01 5:32:30 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Am I the only one who noticed the amusement park at the end of MI2 didn't look like a modern day amusement park? Look at their clothes. I mean, maybe they handed out piratey clothes at the entrance, but it still looks like the amusement park and the rest of the game is set in ca. the same time period. A lot of young boys wanted to be a pirate in the 1600s, why not little Guybrush. It may just be a foreshadowing of Guysbrush's adult life. Most likely they just wear pirate clothes to make the graphics fit with the rest of the game. I still think it's just little Guybrush of modern times imagening it all yet it still being true in some way. Maybe one of his ancestors was called Guybrush or some other stupid thing, or it may be what would happen to him in an alternate dimension. Bleh, I don't know. Btw, Ron Gilbert said in one of his interviews that he wished LEC would sell him the rights to MI so he could make the real MI3. Anyone have this interview? I don't remember where I read it. Gee, I hope I spelled that right. |
| Nostradamus Expert (9/9/01 6:23:55 pm) Reply  |
Re: kjnoop
Great points Evenwolf, you certainly answered my queries. Now if that's a Truman Show thing... WHO is controlling it? You'd probably say LeChuck but how can he control what everyone does like the director in the Truman Show while being at the surface "acting"? He can't, so it ain't him! So who is it? But there's a stronger prrof why it CAN'T be a Truman Show type thing - because in that scenario Guybrush can't possibly become a child! So we can throw that theory out... Nostradamus' tip of the day: the best visions of the future I see happen when I'm on the toilet! Success and prosperity will befold AGS, thus sayeth the great Nostradamus. |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/9/01 8:47:58 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
i think guybrush became a child because lechuck put a spell on him.. ie: the last words in the game are: "I hope LeChuck didn't put a SPELL on him or anything" it's just made everything more confusing! |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 3:56:08 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
hmm, ok- I'm keeping open minded on this theory, remember....I'm trying to look at it from the world within a world, and that Guybrush somehow fell into it, so remember that most of my previous posts are on the "in guybrush's head version" and, depending on the Truman theory, can be completely wrong. ok, so the Truman theory is this: all these pirates are trapped in an alter world, whether its a big bubble or another planet...they are all ignorant of the other world (with maybe some exceptions). Somehow LeChuck fell upon the secret to the other dimension while on Monkey Island (could that tie in why he is a ghost as well- he has access to both dimensions?) and wants to use this for his evil doing. So maybe when when Guybrush enters the other world (via big whoop) LeChuck uses some voodoo....but for what? only the real MI3 can tell i suppose. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| sylfer
Posts too much (9/10/01 6:26:51 am) Reply |
the big shabang
Esseb I read the interview your talkin bout ill see if i can dig it up. Allright having finally seeing the end of Mi2 ill give my hole point of view on all of this. Through-out both games there are very subtle hints that this isnt acctual Piraty times...Soda machines, T-Shirts as awards so on. now in the end of Mi2 you end up in a bunch of odd rooms that resemble the maintence ducts of a ride at a theme park (If you have ever seen them) in these you see various details such as Huge over stuffed animals, A grog soda machine, Lost parent skeletons (Which an odd little detail if you look at the skeletons Guybrush says that it is his mom and dad), Boxes of voodoo dolls and root beer...so on Now as soon as you find out who LeChuck really is. A man walks up saying that you kids Shouldn't be down here. and you walk out of a odd house. NOT the exit or entrence of a ride. Now Ron Gilbert has said that it was inspried by the pirates of the caribean and he wished he could get off the ride and interact with all the characters. Now at the end of Mi2 his mother says numerous time 'I wish you wouldn't run off like that.' Meaning lil guybrush Ran off and onto some kind of pirate ride. So take a little kid getting on a ride similar to Pirates of the carabean. His imagination starts to wander and he gets caught up in it while on the ride (Not exactly an odd thing for a child to do, Haven't you ever gotten caught up day dreaming, imagining...reading..). The acctual ride is no more then a ride like pirates of the caribean but the childs imagination is turning all these characters around him into real people. Now he gets so caught up in it that he some how gets off of the ride or the ride acctually lets you walk around a pirate like world who knows (Allthough also at the end there is a sign pointing towars where Guybrush and Chuckie came out that says "Shows" So he might have been simply watching a pirate show)....while in the meantime Parents are mad that Guybrush ran off and send Brother after him...now Guybrush is still caught up in his imagination so he pictures his brother as this big mean pirate trying to capture him, when his brother is just trying to track him down in acctuality. So Guybrush is running around in this pirate ride and finally hits the last confrintation with Lechuck (AKA his brother) when finally he snaps out of it when he realises its simply his brother and a maitence man comes along and tells them they arent supposed to be in the maitnece shafts of the ride. So little kid snaps out of his imaginary world that he built and re-enters reality where parents are waiting angerilly. Now this still leaves loose-ends, Why does chuckies eyes glow afterwards? Why is Elaine waiting for guybrush saying she hopes LeChuck didn't cast a spell on him...so on. The only way I can explain them is that simply that it is a game/story and that as somebody else said many others worked on this game and since the real 3 which should have been written by ron gilbert has not/wont be made so we dont know the full story....There is more pieces to the puzzle that we do not have. I think Evil is right when it comes to the base of the story...but then there is still bigger parts to it that we dont know yet. at: 9/10/01 6:30:20 am |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 6:45:21 am) Reply |
Re: the big
shabang
youve given some good points for both theories, but I'm still just going to have to play thru again. Something that further proves Stalkleys Truman theory tho is the scene in the final confront with LeChuck in MI2, where Guybrush uses an elavator and randomly exits into the alley on Monkey Island. Like the qoute where RonG said some of the humor has a deeper meaning- I definitely think this is a prime example. And by the way, something that I suddenly realized: Monkey Island intro: the ever ambiguous "Somewhere deep in the Carribean"* anyone ever notice that there is no date? When this is done in movies, isn't it presumed present day? *---edit: forgot the word "deep" (how foolish of me) "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com Edited by: EvenWolf
at: 9/10/01 6:57:25 am |
| sylfer
Posts too much (9/10/01 7:20:46 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Esseb i found the interview: scummbar.mixnmojo.com/ron...view4.html But it appears Mixnmojo is down yet again BUT luckly i have the interview in my history and can view it offline so here is what is said: "Ron says he would make a new Monkey Island game immediately if he had the rights. He won't tell THE secret of Monkey Island yet" |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/10/01 10:22:49 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Man! Am I the only person in history who understood the end of 2001? The whole thing is the imagination of guybrush, who is actually the manifestation of suppressed childhood memories of an accountant in Birmingham, who is the dream of elaine, who's part of the imagination of Descartes (using the screen name Helm21 after hundreds of years out of the public eye) WHO IS ALL! I noticed the theme park not looking modern too. It's also just a cheap reworking of booty island. Does this mean the end was rushed? The whole lack of date, technology "What's a pump doing in a pirate game" I think was intended to show that it wasn't quite reality (The ghosts, zombies , three headed monkeys and the like obviously not convincing enough) Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| El
Bombalisto Newbie (9/10/01 10:33:26 am) Reply  |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
DESCRATES IS NOT ALL!I AM ALL!!!!1!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!! |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 10:55:45 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
but, I don't think it'll hurt if we keep exploring all the small details, you read Ron's qoute about double meanings...imagine if everything in MI tied up in the way that just makes you go "OMG, that is awesome!" I'd like to be able to invision MI3 as it was intended, I must have full Monkey Island experience! and why does Big Whoop resembling Booty mean that the end was rushed? Like I said, I'm most inclined towards the Guybrush's mind theory...here comes my example: while dreaming, a person normally exagerrates his own environment, for instance : his school. Except in dreaming, the environment shifts to meet the needs of the dream...not to mention that a person cant always keep a perfect visual representation in his mind for various reasons. So anyways, as I was saying- I don't think they rushed the end, I think that is just a hint that Guybrush was dreaming after all, using Big Whoop as his mental guide for the island of Booty. And it just so happens i have a reason for the semblance for the Truman theory: Ever watch Sliders? well the voodoo lady mentioned alter dimensions...hmm, i have more plotting to do. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 11:04:36 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
i think someone's trying to set up helm. you can tell by their flagrant use of helm's signature !!!!!!1!!!!1!!!!!! please stop this insanity, or atleast make a "vent" forum where ppl can make all the stupid fake posts they want. and furthermore on helm's defense: he's alot more excited about these theories then to just pop in and say that retarded crap....damn im good. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 12:40:25 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
ok, sorry, I've been thinking alot about this lately-obviously. I'd like to point out another tasty vittle assisting the Truman-based theory: Monkey island two was told (played) in Medias res* which breaks down like this: Beginning takes place in present were a character meets another character (or what have you) and begins telling his story of "how i got here" The Middle takes place in this character's narration..normally being the bulk of the story. and The End takes place back in the present when the narration meets back up (to the present) so of course in MI2's case, this would be: beginning: Elaine finds Guybrush dangling, guybrush begins to tell his story to Elaine. middle: Guybrush's whole piratey adventure up to dinky island end: wraps up his story, falls down hole, fights LeChuck. now that alone doesn't prove anything and neither does what im about to state, but it does bring up something to think about: medias res style stories have been around for a long time, and can be credited to Homer's "the Odyssey" (basically one of the first epic stories recorded in history(still in existence today). Homer created medias res, and I believe that Ron G's use of this style was no coincidence... the Odyssey (for all you non-reading ,non-greeks out there) is a story about a dude who goes thru 40 yrs of @#%$ just in order to get home, basically everything he does is a mistake that costs him years and years of agony, kind of like Guybrush and his constant blundering, you with me? Now, the hero in the odyssey, what he doesn't know is that the gods are watching him all along the way and when he stabs a Cyclops in the eye- he's really f%cked- the Cyclops is a god's son. So basically my point is, when Ron was doing his concept design- maybe he had parts of the Odyssey in mind- except he didn't want the gods to be so obvious, he wanted to save them for a sequel..of course gods could be anything- a tycoon like Ed Norton in truman or lots things...and he also wanted odysseus's blunderings which cost him the mere convenience of going home--in Guybrush's character. Forces working against him. *medias res-" in the midst of things " "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/10/01 1:21:11 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Okay, so first it's the Being John Malkovich theory where Guybrush enters his own subconscience, then it's the Truman show theory where they're trapped in this bubble, and now it's the Odyssey theory?!?! Narritive fiction has eight basic stories (Frensham, 1996) (Yeap... Here comes an essay) : 1. Achilles - Fatal flaw in hero that leads to downfall 2. Candide - Innocent abroad, the hero who cannot be kept down 3. Cinderella - Dream come true, unrecognised virtue 4. Circe - The chase; innocent and the victim 5. Faust - Selling your sould to the devil; the long term debt 6. Orpheus - Gift taken away, loss of something personal 7. Romeo and Juliet - Boy meets girl, etc... 8. Tristan - Two characters want to be together, but there's that pesky third character buggering things up... For example, MI contains elements of 2, 3, 4, 7, and 8... Seeing as how most narratives use these main stories as part of their construction, isn't it possible that both the Odyssey and MI coincidentally borrow some similar elements? I think we're misunderstanding the use of LeChuck's narrative function here... He is an antagonist (similar to Malvolio in Shakespeare's Twelfth Night) and not an overlord (like Feste the clown in Twelfth Night)... My proof of this is that at times, Guybrush has power over him too, for example in his use of Voodoo and magic I.e. His uses of the "root beer" in MI1, the "voodoo doll" in MI2... Although LeChuck overcomes Guybrush's power at the end of MI2, it is because of Guybrush's re-attachment of LeChuck's leg... Thus, Guybrush's naive nature fails him, similar to the 1st basic story... If LeChuck really was an overlord, then his power, and Guybrush's subconscience "reality", would disappear imediately when Guybrush sprays him with the "root beer" in MI... If he had done that, his whole world would have ceased to exist imediately... Instead, we are treated to a fireworks display, Guybrush and Elaine getting together, and Guybrush learning (as one of the options) not to spend thirty bucks on a computer game... (Further testiment that Guybrush knows he's in a computer game, as opposed to a theme park ride... If he'd said something like "Not to spend seven dollars on a theme park ride ticket", I'd be more inclined to agree with this current theory) Also, LeChuck would be able to distort Guybrush's reality as soon as he'd returned from the dead... But he can't because he and Largo are still chasing him while he searches for the Big Whoop maps... Guybrush's reality is only distorted when he and LeChuck are both at Big Whoop, and not at any other place or time... That is not to say that Big Whoop is the doorway between reality and fantasty, but rather to say that whatever was in Big Whoop is probably the second biggest mystery ever... And the first biggest mystery? The ticket at the end of Monkey Island 2... What was it's use? If it was a theme park the whole itme, why did Guybrush acquire it only when he reached the end of Big Whoop and not (like most theme park rides) the beginning... If you ask me, the real Monkey island 3 had to do with that ticket Guybrush finds at the end of Monkey Island 2... The whole theme park thing at the end stems from THAT TICKET!!! In fact, has anyone played MI2 and not picked up the ticket at the end??? I can't remember if I have or not... - DGMacphee Ref: Frensham, R. G. (1996) Screenwriting, whatever the publisher was... Availiable at all good bookstores!!!
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 1:34:46 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
I could remember a few unused inventory items including that damned love-bomb! "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Esseb Expert (9/10/01 1:38:02 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Actually, I'm more inclined to think of it as an entire amusement park not one ride. I.e, Big Whoop is one ride, the one all kids want to ride on and stand 40 mins. in line for, hence the ticket at the end. I also think it's just a spell LeChuck cast on Guybrush, but the above theory still abides. I.e the dream world/alternate dimension LeChuch sends Guybrush to has to make sense to Guybrush and his experiences. Is it possible that LeChuck put a spell on Guybrush before the Star Wars rip-off scene? Gee, I hope I spelled that right. |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/10/01 1:39:59 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
That was a plot device to get you to go to Wally's home and read the message scratched on his table... It wasn't used that well... A cut scene would have been better I guess... But it was a part of the voodoo bag (which was used) that also contained the matches (which were used too)...
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| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/10/01 2:35:37 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Zoiks. Ok, here's the theory I think makes the most sense, taking into account all the stuff Ron said and all the clues. Guybrush is a little kid in real life. His family goes to some amusement park and he runs off in a very Calvinesque manner. He gets into this 'Pirates of the Caribbean' ride/show thing and his imagination goes nuts. He sneaks backstage and starts imagining being a part of this 'world'. Yadda yadda yadda. Big adventures. Now, the ending is the only part that we don't have enough details to work out. So here's my theory, again, taking into account everything that's been said. His parents send his big brother 'Chucky' to find him, and Guybrush turns him into his evil nemesis that he has to defeat. Makes sense, but what about the glowy eyes thing and the Elaine at the hole thing? Well, he's a kid, so maybe this is just a kid version of 'to be continued'. He was forced to end his fantasy so maybe he's incorporating it into the fantasy itself. In other words, he turned his brother finding him and bringing him back to his parents into the evil pirate LeChuck putting a spell on him while his love awaits his return, kind of. Seems to make sense, although I don't really get what MI3 would have been about. I mean, this seems to complete the story, unless Guybrush manages to get away on sneak back into the ride, which would seem redundant and wouldn't leave much room for a cool ending, besides wrapping up all the loose ends. Maybe MI3 would have been about Guybrush's narrow escape from LeChucks spell. The entire game could have been about him trying to get back into the ride. We need to somehow get Ron Gilbert to read this. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/10/01 2:41:04 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
But what about the ticket Guybrush picks up at the ???END??? of the ride?
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| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/10/01 2:54:34 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Ah. Another clue? When Guybrush first meets Elaine (one of my favorite scenes), he acts all goofy and can't say anything (MMFDHJSK, SNJOEDNOKSM, DDSMDOM). I remember when I was you know, 'at that age' I felt similarily awkward with girls. Anyways, as for the ticket, well, hmmm. Let me make something up. Maybe the ride is for I don't know, ages 13 and up or 'you must be this tall' or something, so he isn't able to buy a ticket per se. He sneaks in, but since he never really got in the legit way, he never 'became a pirate'. Oooh. Wait a sec. Maybe his whole obsession with becoming a pirate is a 'coming of age' thing. He feels left out, like he has to prove something. His big quest is to get the ticket and prove that he's grown up. Woo. That might be stretching it, but I kinda like it. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Nostradamus Expert (9/10/01 4:27:28 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
The "LeChuck cast a spell on Guybrush to make him a kid" doesn't explain the Truman Show theory because the Truman Show is about making a guy believe he's living in the real world while everything and everyone around him is actualy fake, but that fake world is in the real world and made like the real world. In the REAL world, THERE ARE NO SPELLS!! RodeKill's theory of "Guybrush is really a kid imagining all this" makes more sense. Nostradamus' tip of the day: the best visions of the future I see happen when I'm on the toilet! Success and prosperity will befold AGS, thus sayeth the great Nostradamus. |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/10/01 5:12:15 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
looks like my original post has got an interesting debate going... does anybody have ron's email *evil grin* |
| bspeers77 Unregistered User (9/10/01 5:18:39 pm) Reply |
The final answer....
well, of course not.
Guybrush is a real pirate in another dimension. All the clues about an amusement park are all magic worked by LeChuck. At the end, LeChuck's eyes are glowing because his fantasy world is complete. Now Guybrush is trapped in a world he *thinks* is real. He *thinks* he's actually a child, when he, in fact is an adult. This would explain why there's the worry from the (apparently very real) woman whose name I can't remember that LeChuck put a spell on our hero, and the glowing eyes. And it would explain why the "modern" world has people dressed as pirates... because the fantasy world being created by LeChuck could only be a product of his imagination, limited by his own time and place, not having knowledge of the modern world... OR LeChuck is a part of an elaborate theme-park, but has somehow been endowed with real magic (think of the name... LeChuck... like the evil doll Chucky from the famous horror movies--an evil animatronic doll with real evil magic). So the kid goes into the theme park, perhaps some real, some enhanced by his imagination, but he gets caught up in it, and the evil Chucky doll uses his magic to help our hero get him out of the ride and into the reall world... which is why his eyes glow at the end. Of course, I haven't actually played the game... I'd like to though... is there any *wink wink, nod nod, say no more* way to experience this well loved adventure game legend? |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/10/01 5:49:24 pm) Reply |
Re: The final
answer.... well, of course not.
"Guybrush is a real pirate in another dimension. All the clues about an amusement park are all magic worked by LeChuck. At the end, LeChuck's eyes are glowing because his fantasy world is complete. Now Guybrush is trapped in a world he *thinks* is real. He *thinks* he's actually a child, when he, in fact is an adult." now THAT i like |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/10/01 5:50:42 pm) Reply |
Re: The final
answer.... well, of course not.
i think we're missing the point with all the ideas that guybrush is really a child i don't think ron would have such a cop-out ending like that if he was planning on making a 3rd game |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/10/01 6:30:46 pm) Reply |
Re: The final
answer.... well, of course not.
Yeah, but that's too obvious. The first thing you think of when you see the ending is "Oh, LeChuck put a spell on Guybrush" There's more to it for sure. We're talking about the actual secret of monkey island, not the ending of MI2 which leads to another sequel. Think about it. Guybrush rides the elevator to the top and finds the alley from MI1... Is it because of a spell, or is it a set from the 'ride'? All the clues point to it being imaginary. All of the modern references and stuff... Unless LeChuck put the spell on him waaay back in the beginning of MI1. I refuse to believe that the ending of MI2 is simply there to be taken at face value. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 10:23:30 pm) Reply |
"little guybrush's
imagination"
this is all getting so interesting, and its so hard to stay open minded about each new theory/opinion that's brought up. Stalkley, altho your idea was great and served as the catalyst for this whole debate, I thank you, however I don't feel the Truman show theory is the one I'm going to go with.. here are some thoughts to be added to the "guybrush's mind while running off in a theme park" theory. (Rodekill, i like the stuuf you brought up just to let you know): okay, what RodeKill summarized as Guybrushrunning around the park, chuckie being sent after him etc. but I'd like to add my little twist which is my explanation for the glare in Chuckie's eyes (this builds off of Stalkley's idea) ok, so Guybrush is daydreaming or whathave you and Chuckie is sent to find him...guybrush exagerrates this and adds his brother to his dream as an undead ghost pirate...etc. now here's something: what if some of Guybrush's fantasies (lechuck) found something on Monkey Island (which would also be in GB's head) which revealed to him that he was only part of a dream. This could explain why LeChuck resents Guybrush so much and won't let him have Elaine....and, what if somehow LeChuck figured out a way to cross-over from Guybrush's mind and enter the physcial realm (embodying Guybrush's brother Chuckie)? so i believe that the Secret of Monkey Island is: "it's all in Guybrush's head" and that's what LeChuck found out. If anyone likes this idea, help me figure out how marrying Elaine is involved, thank you. |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/10/01 10:42:38 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
My point of view is the very restricted "sick and twisted 13 year old imagination theory" Points: 1. "I was send by the I.R.S!!!!" "by who?" (in MI2) 2. the elvis plate in the store (in MI2) 3.Where are you from? All the answers where contemporary locations (in the Library in MI2) theres HELL of a lot more...
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 10:55:32 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
yes helm, I agree: there are tons of those little references in both games. Have we all agreed that those are slips in Guybrush's imagination? ie: a kid wouldn't know that vending machines werent around in piratey times, so on. (I also believe that the parts where guybrush finds himself in a maintenance tunnel is also a slip of his imagination). "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/10/01 10:57:41 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
Same here.the truman theory is not my bag.When I was younger,I thought there were mainainance ducts under my house that went until the core of the earth.Cant see why Guybrush couldnt make something out of an island.
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| Nostradamus Expert (9/11/01 11:37:30 am) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
I thought the MI1 alley in MI2 and the forest scene in from MI1 which appears in CMI are only jokes. But now that you look at those this way it's interesting... Nostradamus' tip of the day: the best visions of the future I see happen when I'm on the toilet! Success and prosperity will befold AGS, thus sayeth the great Nostradamus. |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/11/01 12:42:59 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
except i wouldnt consider the stump much, since Gilbert's vision wasn't used in CMI. I bet someone on the project just thought it would be funny so they ripped off the alley scene. Helm told me to forget about the LeChuck found out that he was in Guybrush's head theory...i'm trying to but so far its the best thing ive come up with...and I'm thinking that's what the four pirates who found the Big Whoop discovered, that they were in a dream, so they buried it so noone else would know. anyways, I also found the ultimate guybrush is a kid reference: USE KNIFE ON _____- "No, my scoutmaster would kill me.." implying that he was(?) a boyscout....or is(?) "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/11/01 1:00:25 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
Couldn't all the vending machines, contempory references in the library, and everything else just be clever anachorisms put in by Ron Gilbert because they were quite humourous? Y'know? A vending machine in piratey-times? BTW, I don't see how an Elvis plate relates to Guybrush being a child...
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| Spyros21
Moderator (9/11/01 1:43:44 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
I think guybrush is an actor and he knows that we're watching him cos in MI4 he says to the dart players "Shoot him up there" and the player throw the dart and breaks your monitor. BWAHAHAHAHAHA I was just kidding , go on with your theories
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| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/11/01 2:22:27 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
Well, I don't really agree with the LeChuck finds out he's in Guybrush's head thing. I still think that the glowy eyes thing is Guybrush's imagination and part of his whole 'to be continued' thing. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Lee Harvey
Oswald Unregistered User (9/15/01 11:50:54 am) Reply |
not just
guybrush?
Sorry if this post seems rushed but, well, it is. My theory is that the whole thing is a joint fantasy between Guybrush and Elaine. LeChuck believes that if he forms a strong bond with either of the real world characters then he can escape into reality. I knowthat was a bit vague, but Ill try and explain myself better later on. |
| Esseb Expert (9/15/01 3:36:59 pm) Reply |
Re: not just
guybrush?
DGMacphee: I meant the star wars rip off at the end of the game "Guybrush. I, I am your brother", and Guybrush never goes on the big whoop ride, does he? If it's just a schoolboys dream I suspect the real names of Guybrush and LeChuck would be Guy and Chuck, both names being contemporary. Elvis plates are sold at most antique shops etc. and it's not hard to find a shop that sells atleast one. Another theory for Chuck's glowing eyes: Part of the fantasy from Guy's head jumped over to his brother. I.e. Guy seemed to forget all about Guybrush while Chuck seems to have aquired LeChuck's personality. That is, of course, only if it's a shoolboys dream, which I refuse to believe because it's a too simple solution, even simpler than LeChuck putting a spell on him. I hated the ending of MI2 before I realised there could be another reason why it ended with Guybrush as a kid rather than him having imagined it all. I doubt Ron Gilbert will reveal the secret, but Mods seems to be quite good at hunting down and torturing, erm, I mean, questioning, er, "interviewing" professional adventure game developers. So give it a shot Mods, please, pretty please. Gee, I hope I spelled that right. |
| monkeyspank2 Posts too much (9/15/01 5:31:58 pm) Reply  |
Re: not just
guybrush?
If people would ever make a project like the truman show (one day in the far future) they could make a pirate-like enviroment etc. -=...and so we lay, we lay in the same grave, our chemical wedding day...=- |
| sylfer
Break out the Bubbly (9/15/01 9:45:22 pm) Reply |
Re: not just
guybrush?
Going on Essebs idea...Wouldn't It be pretty crazy if in the real Monkey Island 3 you became LeChuck? because Now chuckie is imagining things...I dunno doubtful, but a weird thought. |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/15/01 10:53:41 pm) Reply |
nbiub
Hmm. So Chuck is now imagining himself going after Guy. And he looks like a bully so naturally he'd picture himself as the bad guy... Hmmmm. Cool idea. |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/16/01 2:42:10 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
I tend to think that the end of MI2 was left ambiguious intentionally, and Ron didn't know what was going on either. That, or it was the fact that Guybrush was under a curse thing that was developed in a sense into CMI. I think the whole kid thing would be far too much a cop out. Anyway, references to the player are common in adventure games and the whole game is meant to be cartoony to a degree, so all instances of technology, elvis etc are just for laughs. I'd be warey of reading too much into it, lest I become someone who gives up washing because of an interpretation of a biblical verse, or take every one of Jesus's metaphors as statements. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| sylfer
Break out the Bubbly (9/16/01 2:59:32 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
Ya but Las, Ron says in a bunch of interviews that the extra things are in there for laughs but they also are little hints about what the story is really about. and he said that if we knew the truth we'd go...'oh, thats dumb' so the kid thing seems like its kinda a dumb cop out...so it matches there...and the man who made it says that there is bigger signifagance to all the extras.. |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/16/01 9:28:15 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
like i said, I don't mind reading too much into it, in fact i rather enjoy it. I must know the Secret! hehe "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/16/01 9:42:40 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
Now that Ron is out of the seiries he could be leading us on. I know I would. It wasn't completely in a n interview, it was in an IRC chat, so he could have been working off the top of his head. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/16/01 3:52:18 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
How about this then.... Guybrush is really Ron Gilbert in a former life, because Ron said in interviews that HE wished that HE could walk around the Pirates of the Carribean ride... And LeChuck is really his BROTHER, Chuckie... And his Uncle is STAN... and his great-grandmother is that VOODOO LADY... AND his TRAPMENT at BIG WHOOP relates to his TRAPMENT at LUCASARTS... IT is all IN this INTERVIEW: (Shit... where's that URL...) By THE way, I should STOP talking LIKE a character IN BASS, shouldn't I?
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/16/01 7:28:38 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
DID BASS really DO that? I DIDNT notice.
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| monkeyspank2 Posts too much (9/16/01 9:15:19 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
What if monkey island is just what it is a pirate game with a weird time loop. Time gets confused and things get mixed up. Grog machines start popping up, etc. Then some time loops afterwards guybrush becomes lechuck, hunting himself to stop all the madness and the time loops.. Just a stupid thought. -=...and so we lay, we lay in the same grave, our chemical wedding day...=- |
| monkeyspank2 Posts too much (9/16/01 9:27:32 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
I also noticed that there was no date in the game, but in MI3, there is a year on that coin. But MI3 wasn't made by Ron, so I guess it doesn't count. -=...and so we lay, we lay in the same grave, our chemical wedding day...=- |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/17/01 8:28:00 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
ck, im playing through bass at the moment and its incredibly annoying when they put the verbs in captials!! |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/17/01 12:24:44 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
I NEVER did understand WHY they did THAT. They didn't accentuate them in the voices or anything. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/17/01 1:35:03 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
Same here.It IS just stupid.
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| bspeers909 Unregistered User (9/23/01 7:56:03 pm) Reply |
Some lines from Monkey
Island One
If you talk to the wandering pirates before you learn to swordfight and ask them why they all talk like that, they say: "Pirate Lingo. It's how everyone talked back then--come on Guybrush, play along." -- even if you don't say you're name. That pretty much says it all, for me. |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/23/01 9:10:54 pm) Reply |
Re: Some lines from
Monkey Island One
DUDE! Yeah! Helm picks up the piece of evidence and puts it in a small polyester bag.
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/23/01 9:12:47 pm) Reply |
Re: Some lines from
Monkey Island One
getting warmer it seems |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/23/01 10:00:56 pm) Reply |
Re: Some lines from
Monkey Island One
Wow, that's a pretty substantial boing boing. As you can tell, I thought I had something to post here but half way through that sentence realised I didn't. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Dark
Stalkey Expert (9/25/01 2:35:20 pm) Reply |
mi 1
looks like we've come in a full circle back to the whole "interactive carrabean sized" ride we started with it makes more sense than that child nonsense
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M0DS
 Moderator (10/19/01 11:21:02 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
I agree, this is really interesting.   Mods Mark "Mods" Lovegrove 
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| EvenWolf
Break out the Bubbly (10/19/01 11:51:33 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Yay, someone revived it! Yay, I got 100th post |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (10/20/01 3:17:53 am) Reply  |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
MOds plays with SCUMM revisited. Now lets tie Ron to a chair, shine a light in his face and hit him with phonebooks (MODS? You got a London metropoliton one? They'd be pretty thick) "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| M0DS
Moderator (10/20/01 11:44:03 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Heh, four districts, each about 10 inches think lol. Or there's the Yellow Pages. Anyways, I'm in the process of getting in contact with Ron. I will bring you answers. Mods Mark "Mods" Lovegrove
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| Las
Naranjas Moderator (10/20/01 12:23:17 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
WhoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo! O_o o_O WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 
"You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Dark
Stalkey Expert (10/20/01 4:59:11 pm) Reply |
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i didn't think i'd get this much responce when i posted my "theory" -------------- |
| Dark
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LOOK! LOOK! THE SIGN THAT POINTS TO THE HUT GUYBRUSH CAME OUT OF SAID "SHOWS!" then again, this could be a detail that lechuck's spell added. oh god, now i'm really confused -------------- |
| Esseb Posts too much (10/20/01 5:31:40 pm) Reply |
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..And one of the signs say "FREAK" and the sign next to it has a drawing of what appears to be a three headed monkey. Hmmm.... Gee, I hope I spelled that right. |
| EvenWolf
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I really think guybrush got absorbed in the pirate show and based his dream on the amusement park and other places. LOL, good find esseb. That three headed monkey was just a hokie carnival freak all along. |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (10/21/01 4:21:49 am) Reply |
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That "freak" sign was also in part 5 of CMI. The "S" on Stan's shop is still there. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| EvenWolf
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yeah, I'm sick of hearing people theorize that the team got lazy so they just redid Booty island....when its damned obvious that was intentional. |
| jannar85 Newbie (10/22/01 7:33:53 am) Reply |
the secret of Monkey
Island
I have again started to play The Secret of Monkey Island, and I have found something interesting when the shopkeeper are talking to Carla (The Swordmaster) - She answers him: Someone might follow you, and then I'd become another Melee Island TM tourist attraction. This might be a connection to the earlier posts... I dunno... But when she are saying "Melee TM tourist attraction" Like she worked at THE Carnival... And I started to wonder... ----- And Stan's Previously Owned Coffins is also in Booty and Big Whoop!!! (creepy!) I think Ron have shown us too much of the next sequel of Monkey Island
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| EvenWolf
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well, I'm not sure if that's too good an example because anyone at a carnival is supposed to be an attraction, they're not getting paid to sit out in the middle of nowhere..... but I'm
sure it does connect somehow. hmm, for some reason I have a demanding urge
to reevalute the costume shop on booty island. I'm sure that holds a
number of clues...
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| Las
Naranjas Moderator (10/22/01 1:00:28 pm) Reply |
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There's tourist jokes all through MI1. (e.g Cannibals tell some) They're just that though, nothing deeper there at all. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
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Was there elevators in 1600? I'm starting to wonder.. And when you use the elevator - then we'll come to Melee... Like Big Whoop/Booty island is the basement of something... (don't know exactly to where) And why the heck is there an Elvis plate in the store??? Hello! The game-time were in 1600! Not 1940's... I really start to wonder now... And then, why is Dinky island on the same spot as Big Whoop/Booty? Like there is a connection to every island... Like every island is one single big island! |
| jannar85
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-And RonG also said in an interview that: 'Biggest mistake was that Elaine felt in love with Guybrush.' So... That means that Elaine don't love Guybrush at all! -"I gave name to Guybrush very late too." He finds friends from his journey. What are puzzles like then? "If you collect a mushroom here, you can use it long time later with something and reveal completely different world. If you forgot to take it, the game continues with a different way. You still can go back to get the mushroom.", Ron tries to explain his world. - Notise the 'reveal completely different world', 'He finds friends from his journey' and 'Ron tries to explain his world' The own world part may be GB's imagination/truman show... And the 'finds friends from his journey' can be his journey to a carnival as kid, or that he may be that he is imagine all this..?!? -= Adventure Pit =- www.adventurepit.cjb.net |
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| EvenWolf Expert (11/5/01 10:05:46 am) Reply  |
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calm down. |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/5/01 12:01:09 pm) Reply |
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The Elvis plate has two explanations: * Just a joke and nothing more * Guybrush is a modern kid in the 1980 who fantasizes all of this and puts the Elvis plate there because it's typical for such stores Believe what suits your theory best You know what would be cool? If Ron sometimes announces that the truth was acually that... LeChuck was an alien who kidnapped Guybrush into a parallel universe or something like that...  That would kill all our theories and Ron would be able to victioursly say "gotcha.. you all thought of such complicated theories, looked for evidence, etc. and all it was was this simple thing so HA HA" Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/5/01 1:17:50 pm) Reply |
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"Hello! The game-time were in 1600! Not 1940's..." I'm pretty sure that a: We are never told when the game takes place. b: Elvis was a kid in the 1940's :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
CommaToes
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I'm sorry if this has been said, but I was just playing MI2 and when guybrush bashes his head on the tree after the oar breaks and his parents come, he says "I thought you abandoned me." This could be why he decided to stay in the pirate ride. * Fears the wrath of the moderators * |
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That scene freaks me out.
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| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/5/01 9:35:41 pm) Reply |
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Oooh, the plot thickens. Ok, so maybe he didn't wander off. Maybe he got lost and being the kid that he is, his imagination went nuts. An hour turns into 20 years as he plays around in the pirate ride, making imaginary friends and whatnot. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Esseb Posts too much (11/5/01 10:44:48 pm) Reply  |
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..And real friends who also where in the amusement park, judging by the comment from the random swordfighters in the forest (the "play along" comment). I forgot who found it, sorry. A second (third, fourth?) theory regarding the ticket. Some amusement parks are free to enter, but some of the rides require you to pay separate prices. Perhaps this amusement park decided to say it was the "big whoop" ticket to the "big whoop" amusement park, luring punters to buy it believing they needed it, while they maybe only need(ed) it for one or two rides. Guybrush's parents could've been cheap (bastards) and gone for the free version where you didn't get a ticket, while little Guybrush wanted to ride the big rides, and thus needed to get the ticket by other means. The treasure of Big Whoop could then be one of (or the only) ride you needed to actually buy a ticket to be able to ride. Now, if someone happens to live near the lec ranch. Any amusement parks nearby who happens to run a ticket system like this? (this is getting closer to stalking by each passing day) Gee, I hope I spelled that right Edited by: Esseb at: 11/5/01 9:48:40 pm |
| Dark
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didn't disney land have one of those tickets for free all-day rides or passes or something? -------------- |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/5/01 11:27:53 pm) Reply |
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kids...you are absolutely insane now. I refuse to do research on a real theme park, seeing as how Ron Gilbert is a creative genius- he doesn't need to see something in real life to use it in fiction... Disneyland, to my knowledge does not require individual tickets for rides, but I'm sure things like Epcot etc do. Actually, I dunno- never been, but this is all so pointless..let's focus on the game shall we? Guybrush is alone in a theme park after getting lost or running away from his family. "Playing along" can be said by anyone, not just friends- a park employee or even's Guybrush's own mind possibly. Now, my argument has been that Big Whoop is the amusement park itself......as well as the "secret". All the pirates in Guybrush's head consider themselves real (even LeChuck). One day, 4 pirates found "Big Whoop" and were so frightened they tore apart the map and swore from telling another pirate soul. What could be this dreadful find? I believe they found Big Whoop, realizing that they were only characters in a child's pirate fantasy. They all found their lives meaningless and died soon afterwards. And somehow LeChuck found out, seeing this as an opportunity to escape to the real world. |
| Esseb Posts too much (11/6/01 12:33:56 am) Reply |
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My interpretation is less colourfull than yours even. Sadly, but I've had to disregard all my previous theories after this thread. Now, I do have some (well, one) ingenious idea(s) of my own though. (I am, of course, disregarding mi3 and 4 here) I believe both games take place in an amusement park, called Big Whoop, as the final room prooves. LeChuck is infact Guybrush's rl bigger brother, and a bully one, as big brothers tend to be, and naturally the evil guy in the world Guybrush creates, walking around the park alone. Elaine, as with LeChuck, is also based on a real person. A girl both Guybrush and LeChuck are in love with. She could very well be between LeChuck and Guybrush in age, meaning that she would probably find LeChuck to bully like to really be a boyfriend, and little Guybrush too childish, as she makes clear in the games. The various pirates in the game are other kids in the park, both kids unfamiliar to LeChuck and his brother, and also friends of Guybrush and LeChuck. As is normal with siblings who also are rival, they don't share their friends, naturally forming two fractions, with the smaller kids becoming the heros because the bigger bullies naturally have to be the bad guy, because that's "cooler". Some of Elaine's friends are also in the amusement park, and Elaine is perhaps the popular girl, and therefore the leader, Governor Elaine Marley. LeChuch and his crew are playing for themselves, lead by LeChuch, who's goal is to win Elaine's heart (I'd include a few comments by the ghost pirate crew here, but it's been awhile since I played it last). Elaine and her friends are playing for themselves, and so is Guybrush and his friends. None of the groups being connected at the beginning of the game. As both Guybrush and LeChuch move in on Elaine, the different groups meat, and the game quickly revolve around Guybrush and his evil, older brother, who he has to conquer over, because that's what little brothers have to do. As the game goes on, Guybrush becomes more and more in character, to the extent that he has trouble remembering that LeChuck is infact his brother, that his parents aren't dead, and that the whole thing has just been a daydream, a game, at the end of mi2. LeChuch too, has also become so in character that he still has a bit of the zombie pirate LeChuch in him, the glowing eyes. Guybrush however, snapped out of it after he remembered that LeChuch really was his brother, and the only connection he has left to the fantasy world of Monkey Island, is Elaine (the version in his mind) who shouts after him down the hole, perhaps not reaching him because the tunnel from the fantasy world to the real world is too large, and that either Guybrush must go back, again playing the role of Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate, or Elaine must go down the hole, walk through the maintenance tunnel, and thus shortening the gap between the real world and the fantasy world. Now, to the ingenious part. If this theory is the true one, there isn't, as far as I can recall, anything that might give away in which time the kid Guybrush lives. This could very well mean, that the Big Whoop amusement park, is a tourist attraction set up back in the 1600s on Melee Island (the island mi1 started on, which I forgot the name of ), with the
other islands nearby following suite, and setting up tourist attractions
of their own, the three pirates with their cirkus in which Guybrush
becomes the human cannonball, with old pirates finding they earn a better
living by working for the various tourist attractions. I don't recall
exactly what happens at Meathook's place, but he could very well be
someone who has set up his own very small tourist attraction a little away
from the bigger attractions (his house is on the outskirts of the island,
far away from the closest settlement), with the BIG BEAST he shows for
money, and of course, his famous (among kids at least) talking tattoo.
This theory could also explain Jannar's discovery:Quote: She is afraid of the changes and just wants to live alone in her cabin, longing back to the days when pirates where pirates were feared, not put on show, and amusement parks and tourists was unheard of. I'd add more to this amateurish essay, but I need to replay the games first.. and quite frankly, I'm a bit bored already. This is of course just one interpretation, and most likely not the correct one. Only Ron Gilbert knows for sure, maybe even he doesn't. I've written a lot, but that's just out of sheer boredom. So don't be afraid to write down your own interpretation. Just because I've written the most, doesn't mean my theory is the most correct, it just means I need to find something better to do .Edit: my theory changed slightly while writing this, so while I believed it was just one amusement park to begin with, I believe Big Whoop might just be the biggest tourist attraction in the tri-island area, with smaller tourist attractions nearby, on neighbour islands, also wanting to cash in on the tourists who are there anyway. (compare to the various Disneylands and the way there tends to be a lot for tourists to do nearby one. No other larger amusement parks, that would just be financial suicide, but smaller ones. I'd name some but I've never really been to Disneyland, sadly  )
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| Shylock AGS User (11/6/01 1:40:58 am) Reply |
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A little balance... All the things that were 'out of place' in the pirate world (such as vending machines, and Elvis plates) were used as anachronisms - they enhanced the comedy value of the game. This doesn't mean that they didn't have a double meaning, but it's still entirely possible that their function was entirely comedic. Remember that Guybrush's last dialogue choice: '...never to spend twenty bucks on a computer game' is also 'out of place' in the pirate world but has clearly been added to the game because it is funny, and for no other reason. The theme park shown at the end of MI2 does heavily feature things contained in the game, such as the three-headed monkey and the general 'Phatt-island' shape of the park, but this doesn't necessarily indicate anything. Whatever the reason for the theme park being there, it makes sense to put in references to the events of the game, just for the recognition factor. Guybrush mentions that the skeletons at the end of MI2 are his parents, but then it's essential that they ARE his parents, and that LeChuck is therefore a part of his family, or the final voodoo doll puzzle would be unworkable. This could all tie in with the 'secret' that we're looking for, or it could possibly be a contrived ending in order to allow a way for Guybrush to defeat LeChuck (and throw in a Star Wars spoof). Revisiting the alley from the first game at the end of MI2 is a great surprise for the player. Whether it indicates anything or not, it's entirely possible the only reason the writer(s) put it in there was to surprise (and delight?) the player. The seemingly most spooky piece of evidence for the 'none of it's real' theory is the pirate comment in MI1: "Pirate Lingo: It's how everyone talked back then..." suggesting that the pirate is aware he is not really in the carribean in the 1600s (or whenever). Although this could also be another joke about it being only a computer game - a joke for the modern-era player about the corny pirate dialogue. Whatever the reason for the theme park, I find it difficult to believe that the idea for the MI2 ending had even been conceived at the time of making MI1. MI1 seems a perfectly innocent comedy pirate game, with no sense that there is anything big and mysterious in the background. The MI2 ending certainly means something, and perhaps the general 'modern things in a pirate era' vibe that runs through the games was an inspiration for it, but given (what seems to me) the complete innocence and lack of weirdness that runs through MI1 (as opposed to it's sometimes freaky sequel), I would want some stronger evidence before going along with the idea that the 'secret' was known from the start. On the other hand, because it would be cool, I hope I'm completely wrong. Had any luck with Ron Gilbert yet, MODS? |
| Las
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And they say literatur interpretation can be engaging... "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Esseb Posts too much (11/6/01 2:58:22 am) Reply |
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Weeell, If you're gonna look at it that way... it is just a game.. or games, rather. Edit: a brainstorm, what fun: Even if he didn't think of a bigger picture while devising/writing/imaginging up mi1, it doesn't mean he didn't look back to mi1 while making the sequel, expanding upon ideas, thinking up new ones, while having to make them fit into the context set by mi1. Meaning: RGilbert probably regretted a few things from mi1 while making mi2, but they were already in that game, so he couldn't forget them, and had to build on them, rather than forget them. Of course, some things from mi1 which he had different plans with back then, could easily be refocused by doing something in mi2. The soda machines anachronisms in mi1 could maybe just be that, funny anachronisms, while sometime during the pre-planning to mi2, he might think that it would be cool if they were infact clues, symbols, of what Monkey Island actually is. So, adding several more anachronisms and meta humour in mi2, making sure they fit better within the greater context than the anachronisms in mi1 did, which (I'm just thinking this up here as an example, not as a theory) were designed before the greater context was in fact thought up. So, in the end, it is Ron Gilbert's universe, both games should be looked at as one, more or less, because mi2 is a sequel to mi (oh really? this is the science fact of the milennia folks) and thus has to work from it, on good and bad. Rather than changing things in nr1, he had to alter what he planned to do with 2 because of what was already made. (Need I say I hated the sw remakes? (minus the techie cgi bits, but that was the gee-whizz nerd in me)) (I wish I was more eloquent, I hope anyone understood anything of what I was on about. I suppose someone will sum up this reply in one clever sentence soon.) btw: why didn't anyone suggest analyzing Monkey Island when I still had to do that sort of thing in school? Disclaimer: I'm sleepy, need sleep. I may or may not approve of the above when I wake up again. Gee, I hope I spelled that right Edited by: Esseb at: 11/6/01 2:18:20 am |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/6/01 4:16:52 am) Reply |
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anyways, I'm still taking the approach that A. Big Whoop is only a theme park in the real world/ The name of the portal out of Guybrush's dream B. All the references to modern things are slips in GT's head (and yes for comedy effect as well) C. The Big Whoop ticket is not for a specific ride, it is the general ticket to get into the (real) park...from both the real world and the fantasy world. |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/6/01 4:43:59 am) Reply |
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I'm with Even. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/6/01 5:06:06 am) Reply |
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yay! but man, we shouldn't argue. It's not like we're ever going to know for sure. I guess we all need to support each's ideas...and just come up with like 8 bazillion theories. I still think we should just kidnap Ron, lock him in a room with all the artists and programmers he needs, and have the only way out be by a panel of game testers who receive the final product thru a tiny slot, play the game, and then based on their satisfaction- do or do not each push his button. Only if all (let's say) 12 buttons are pushed, Ron and his team will be released.
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| Larch Knows their stuff (11/6/01 6:24:17 am) Reply |
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Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus! |
| jannar85
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Ok! If you study the Monkey Island DEMO readme (Downloadable from LucasArts.com) You can see Ron have written The game take place in 1600+++ So....
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Ok... What is so special about the vending machine at stan's? Ron said in a interview that it has a secret deeper relevance to the story... *And what about the Largo guy? I began to think of...The truman show... LeChuck and his crew have cast a spell over the folks, and they (LC&Crew) are the only one that knows this ain't true And then they take advantage of this... Or something... Cuz Guybrush can't imagine Elaine, IF the other characters can see her too! And what about the theory that LeChuck never wanted to leave Elaine, and she told him to drop dead? So Guybrush don't imagine all this?!?! 
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| EvenWolf Expert (11/6/01 11:17:20 am) Reply |
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What exactly is your stand on the theories? I can't understand a friggin word except that you are really excited about something, so excited that you make 3 different replies when all you have to do is edit the first one Quote: last time I checked, people have to learn before they know something. If LeChuck learned something that no one else in Guybrush's fantasy knew, why would he even have to use a spell on a whole tri-island area? Just for fun? A college prank? Quote: ....I'm saying Guybrush imagines everything, not just Elaine. Why the hell wouldn't characters in a fantasy be able to interact with one another? ok, wait- so you're saying LeChuck is controlling a Truman world? Alright, well what's his motive and where did Guybrush come from? And why is LeChuck obsessed with one of his ignorant Truman people? Edited by: EvenWolf at: 11/6/01 10:23:03 am |
| M0DS
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The Secret Of Monkey Island also featured the sherriff dude saying: "Whatever you go on on Melee, I'll be watching." Now. If it were "wherever you go on Melee" that'd make some sense, because it just means he's following you round etc. But "whatever" makes it sound more like a visitor attraction or theme park or whatever, like big whoop amusement park. Also, when you go into the alley for the first time, the sheriff follows you and tells you its dangerous to go down there. The sign then saying employees only, and then in MI2 you come out onto that very alley from under the tunnels. Interesting stuff. I guess the sheriff bit simply means he doesn't want you snooping around where you'll find out about Big Whoop and what have you. "Whatever you go on on AGS forums, i'll be watching you " Mods Mark "Mods" Lovegrove |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/6/01 11:46:41 am) Reply |
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I really need to play back thru with all this stuff in mind. I know I said this before but I couldnt get a hold of MI1. great find,mods. And you know about Fester Shinetop, don't you? This could further back the truman theory, where LeChuck finds out (but I don't think any spell is involved). |
| Esseb Posts too much (11/6/01 12:18:48 pm) Reply |
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Did you ever get hold of RG Mods? Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/6/01 12:40:57 pm) Reply |
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Some notes about proposed theory... If Guybrush's parents abandoned him they must be real bastards because at the end of MI2 they BLAME HIM FOR RUNNING AWAY. Those bastards In Disneyland the ticket you buy at the entrance is valid for all rides, but you can buy "fast tickets" to get on a specific ride in a specific order with "no line" but the truth is many times the "fast ticket" line is actually longer and they're selling it for dead hours anyway. But there are theme parks that charge extra for certian rides. Bloody bastards. And the "whatever you go" could be just a spelling mistake, Mods... but it does sound too good in the theory to be incidental. I just hope Ron doesn't take the secret to the grave with him. It'll be pretty hard to find "Ashes-2-Life".
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| jannar85
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LeChuck is really the sheriff! So he is the one controlling the TRUMAN WORLD!!! Guybrush migth have come from his parents Ah wait! Guybrush is first on a amusement park, and then he are going on a rollercoaster - LeChuck kidnapps him, and places him and others in HIS WORLD! And then LeChuck are watching over people, and LeChuck falls in love with Elaine (One of they he kidnapped) And he visits her, and she tells him to drop dead! And so he does! And then he are trying to kill Guybrush, when Guybrush is interupting him... THE TRUMAN WORLD OF LECHUCK!!! BWHAHAHAHA And anyway - Guybrush will never, never, never be loved back from Elaine It was at least
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| jannar85
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So we added a shipwrecked character on the island, and that gives you somebody to talk with. And as you piece together the story of what's been happening on Monkey Island, you discover that he's a very important part of that story. (He is talking about Herman) I wonder if this means that Herman is a very important part of the story, then this is maybe rigth: GUYBRUSH: What are you doing here? HERMAN: I'm teaching philosophy here. GUYBRUSH: Could you teach me some philosophy? HERMAN: Ok, here's a Zen koan for you. GUYBRUSH: A what? HERMAN: A philosophical puzzle. HERMAN: If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around to hear it... HERMAN: What color is the tree? (Another lead to MI3? But then we have to find out what he means!) -= Adventure Pit =- www.adventurepit.cjb.net |
| Shylock AGS User (11/6/01 2:55:53 pm) Reply |
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Previously, I would have gone with Esseb's idea that MI1 was innocent of a big background plot, and that it merely served as part of the inspiration for the MI2 ending/background plot. But... "Whatever you go on on Melee..." Now THAT I can't explain. That truly is weird, and it's unlikely (in my opinion) that somebody would write that sentence by accident. Is there somewhere where people can read these Ron Gilbert interviews online? |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/6/01 3:08:27 pm) Reply |
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Wow. That IS a nice find. I gotta play these again. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/6/01 3:18:44 pm) Reply |
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Actually, thinking about it has brought a few new ideas into my skull. Ok, so as a groundwork of this idea, let's talk about Disney briefly. There are three Disney parks as far as I know (besides MGM and Epcot and all that) and each park is divided into "pirate world" and "space world" and "fire engine world" or whatever. So, keeping that in mind, monkey Island 1 had two different islands and monkey island 2 and three or four, whatever it was. Maybe each MI game takes place in a different 'park' and each island is one of the 'theme world' type things in the park. That would mean that MI 1 and 2 took place on two separate visits to different parks and kind of explains the wierd way the games just start with him on a random island with no explanation for him being there. That just made me think of something else. How exactly did Guybrush get on the first island in MI2? There was an embargo and no ships could arrive or leave, so how did he get there? Was this explained at all? :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Shylock AGS User (11/6/01 3:49:51 pm) Reply |
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Go here to read Ron Gilbert interviews about the MI games. |
| Shylock AGS User (11/6/01 5:17:13 pm) Reply |
Hang on a
minute...
When talking to the sheriff in the jail, he says: "Wherever you go on Melee island, I'll be watching you." unless he says 'whatever you go on on Melee...' somewhere else in the game? The 'employees only' sign in the alley is an excellent find. It's clear to me now from reading the interviews that Ron Gilbert did intend something mysterious about the whole thing right from the first MI. |
| Essen Unregistered User (11/6/01 5:54:40 pm) Reply |
Re: Hang on a
minute...
Shylock: what, when did I say that? That's exactly what I didn't say. I said that while mi1 didn't necesarily have a greater backstory when it was made/released, it doesn't mean it doesn't got one now, after mi2 has been released. And the "whatever you go on" quote fits my theory just snuggly.. really. |
| Esseb Posts too much (11/6/01 6:02:09 pm) Reply |
Re: Hang on a
minute...
Poobungies, misstyped my nick so I can't edit. add this to the end of the last post: Of course, reading in the interview that he did think of the greater story before work on mi1 had even begun, my point is moot. Anyway, Shyloch, my theory never throws away the greater story, I was trying to figure out just what it was. My earlier posts however, which I can't remember just now, probably said something completely different, so ignore those.
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| Esseb Posts too much (11/6/01 6:11:38 pm) Reply |
Re: Hang on a
minute...
Dang, I seemed to missread you, so ignore the above two posts. I don't dare login in school, so can't edit even though I typed my nick correctly. Shyloch, it was you who mentioned mi1 might not have had a greater backstory, and that we should ignore the anachronisms there and concentrate on mi2. I was just explaining how it's possible for a sequel to add a backstory, which incorporates elements from the first game, even if the backstory had not been formed back then. Anyway, the interview clearly shows he had intended a greater back story all along, so your previous point is moot, and my attempt at explaining why it was moot before, is also moot. |
| Shylock AGS User (11/6/01 6:12:21 pm) Reply |
Re: Hang on a
minute...
Sorry, Esseb, I was unclear. I meant what you said, but only mentioned the first half of it. Anyway, my last post makes my previous theory redundant. Which means there was always a big background plot going on in the game. Yippee! |
| Dark
Stalkey Expert (11/6/01 6:20:48 pm) Reply |
Re: Hang on a
minute...
heh, you know that philosiphy thing on dinky island? i clicked my way through all the answers and the pucnch-line is this guybrush: all colours? herman: correct! herman: now what have you learned from this? guybrush: that philosiphy is a complete waste of my time -------------- |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/6/01 8:15:18 pm) Reply |
Re: Hang on a
minute...
Jannar, I E-Mailed you about it but you never replied. My E-mail is nostradamusags@hotmail.com Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| M0DS
Moderator (11/7/01 12:26:11 am) Reply |
Re: Hang on a
minute...
Interesting stuff. Esseb, RG update soon! EvenWolf, tell
me more about thei ShineTop or whatever guy Mods Mark "Mods" Lovegrove |
| Kairus AGS User (11/7/01 4:36:36 am) Reply |
Question
Hey, guys, I don't know if you have already discussed this but... what happenned between the end of MI1 and the beginning of MI2? Guybrush breaks up with Elaine and finds lots of treasures but... how is it explained in your 'reality show' and 'kid game' theories? What happens all that time? |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/7/01 6:03:41 am) Reply |
Re: Question
Well, Kairus. We could only assume . The books in the Phatt Island library might hold crucial information, but most likely MI1 and MI2 are completely different fantasies (in the dream theory). Dreams can have gaps in them, no? As for the truman theory, I have no clue...Esseb? |
| jannar85
Knows their stuff (11/7/01 9:13:48 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Ok! Good work! Well... Let's say that in The Secret of Monkey Island, LeChuck was planning to do a big amusement park... He was worried if anyone found out this, and got away... So he made this little island - called Melee, where he placed everyone he had to captured... And he found out that one of the others (Guybrush who have gotten lost, and turned up in THE TRUMAN WORLD) was going to make trouble for him, and then LeChuck had to get rid of him, but with no luck... And in MI2 LeChuck had finished Big Whoop! But that does not explain why Guybrush turn up with alot of money in MI2.... And yeah! M0DS, EvenWolf, Las Naranjas, Rodekill77, Dark Stalkey... Send me yer email ASAP! And then we'll start making MI3! they who want to join too, can do it!
jannar85@hotmail.com -= Adventure Pit =- www.adventurepit.cjb.net |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/7/01 3:42:40 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Fine, fine. But like I said, I'm only going to do consultation on the story and stuff. I'm not gonna start doing backgrounds and scripting. shawno@rodekill.com :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Dark
Stalkey Expert (11/7/01 4:33:58 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
sorry jannar, but i'd only do MI3 if ron gilbert himself asked me to do it... -------------- |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/7/01 6:59:59 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Well, we don't even have any solid ideas yet. Your theory is completely different from mine, and I kind of just feel like theorizing...it's not like we've solved any big puzzle yet. |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/7/01 8:27:11 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Yo Rodekill I'm also doing story & maybe dialogue, so E-Mail me so we'll get our ideas synchronized. nostradamusags@hotmail.com Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| Esseb Posts too much (11/7/01 8:28:04 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Even, I never was a follower to the truman show theory. (that sure was a crap movie btw) Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/7/01 8:34:02 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
That was an AWESOME movie but as I proved (read earlier posts) it's not possible in MI. Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| Dark
Stalkey Expert (11/7/01 9:08:32 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
i though the truman show was great! -------------- |
| Kairus AGS User (11/7/01 9:31:58 pm) Reply |
Ask RG
Could anyone really contact Ron Gilbert? |
| Esseb Posts too much (11/8/01 1:26:50 am) Reply |
Re: Ask RG
I thought it was a great concept, but badly executed. It had it's moment, but really, if you knew what the concept was about before you saw the movie, or guessed it really early (like I did, I don't like reading about movies before I watch them), it's not really that interesting. Of course, that's just my opinion. I'd give it a dice throw of 3,2. Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (11/8/01 6:27:20 am) Reply |
Re: Ask RG
I have emailed you. But that email has fuc ked up "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis Edited by: Las Naranjas at: 11/8/01 5:29:46 am |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/8/01 11:44:31 am) Reply |
Re: Ask RG
I have written the story for the game, from intro through what happens in the game itself to the end and sent it to jannar. If you're in the game team you can get it from him. And if not you'll have to wait... I'm not telling the REAL secret of Monkey Island! You'll just have to wait till the game is done! Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! Edited by: Nostradamus at: 11/8/01 10:45:35 am |
| Dark
Stalkey Expert (11/8/01 1:12:37 pm) Reply |
*sigh*
well, if you are actually going through with this (im not sure if this is a good idea by the way, not only becaause of the fact that lucasarts will shut it down if they find out), then email me at darkstalkey@hotmail.com if you want any dialog/story written... but as with rode i dont want to do puzzles or art or anything... and yes, i am mr. negative
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| Kairus AGS User (11/8/01 5:26:00 pm) Reply |
One more thing about
Monkey Island
I agree with Even that MI1 and MI2 are set in different fantasies of kid Guybrush and there's a gap between them where we don't know what happens. However, what if the first one was not a fantasy? I don't mean it was real (though it could be), but we can think of it like being a very well known story. Let's say that in the world kid Guybrush and his friends live, it's like a floklore story. Then when kid Guybrush arrives to Big Whoop theme park, which has a Monkey Island related attraction, he gets lost (or run away) and starts his own fantasy about beign the Guybrush in the story. Eventually his brother is sent to track him down, but instead of this he joins the game and plays the role of LeChuck. However, as LeChuck was 'killed' in the original story, they have to make up a new way of bringing him alive. In this case LeChuck returns as a zombie. It is interesting to point out that a zombie has a phisical body and a ghost doesn't, a ghost then is less limited. As Chuckie could never be as powerful as a ghost he plays the role of a zombie, which is limited by his phisical body. At the beginning of MI2, kid Guybrush invents a lot of details that happened since MI1 ended, like the treasures he has found and the fact that he broke up with Elaine. I don't know if Elaine in MI2 is a real girl or just another Guybrush fantasy character. Maybe at first it was his fantasy and later in his game a girl appears who wants to play the part of Elaine, so he must tell her the whole story until that moment. That would explain why Guybrush and Elaine have already broken up at the beginning of MI2, because there wasn't a girl who would play Elaine yet, but later he finds he needs one and so he creates a fantasy one. And that could explain the starting point of MI2, too: Guybrush hanging of a rope, telling Elaine all the events until then. This time she's the real Elaine, not his fantasy one, otherwise why should Guybrush tell his fantasy character all what happened? Couldn't he have imagined she already knew everything in order not to waste time? It's a pity that his game finishes just a few minutes later when he defeats his brother and a park employee finds them both and gets them with their parents again. What do you think about it? And, about the making of MI3... have you already contacted Ron Gilbert???? |
| Dark
Stalkey Expert (11/8/01 6:02:28 pm) Reply |
Re: One more thing
about Monkey Island
id like to take this oppertunity to point out that kairus has the best avatar in the forum
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| EvenWolf Expert (11/8/01 6:14:04 pm) Reply |
Re: One more thing
about Monkey Island
the REAL story Nostradamus? Kairus, good stuff. I like all these new theories, let's keep em coming. Oh, and I hate to ask this but can all the "REAL MI3" stuff move over to a new thread? I'd rather not muddle up these new theories and the one you guys are using- seeing as how I'm still trying to develop some of these...and apparently you guys are done. |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/8/01 6:48:58 pm) Reply |
Re: One more thing
about Monkey Island
Our version of the real secret... we're not Ron so we don't really know... but that's how the game is gonna be called, RMI: The Real Secret of Monkey Island. Stalkey, they may shut it down but we're gonna put the "this game is a dfan game not intended to ripoff or make profit" etc. like in Night of the Hermit, and besides if they shut it down, until then I hope all of you will already download it. Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| jannar85
Knows their stuff (11/9/01 11:37:45 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
We still planning the story though... And we need some ripped characters from MI1, and MI2... So please...?!?! -= Adventure Pit =- www.adventurepit.cjb.net |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/9/01 12:09:28 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
you're ripping characters? ok, now I'm absolutely opposing this project. since when does a sequel of Monkey Island use the old sprites? (with a few exceptions) No, I won't respect this project if you don't make new sprites for atleast Guybrush and LeChuck. |
| Dark
Stalkey Expert (11/9/01 1:16:50 pm) Reply |
hmmm
wasn't CMI good enough? i originally posted my theory because i though i could help shed some light on to the original meaning of the ending on MI2, and possibly the meaning of the entire games... doing a dodgy version of a "real mi3" will be a bad thing... if anyone is going to tell us what really happend it should be ron himself and no one else... we should just stick to theorising to tell the truth, this could project could either end up in a big mess, or a big legal mess.... if there is a script i'd rather see it posted here than in a muddle of ripped sprites... |
| Dark
Stalkey Expert (11/9/01 6:30:28 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
while im here, i think the meaning of my "truman show" theory has been distorted... what i mean by it is that the "carribean" in the games is just a huge, turman-show world-like set for a "pirates of the carribean" ride, and like truman (at the start of the film anyway) guybrush doesm't know he;s on a ride and not in real life (having been lost in it as a child)
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| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/9/01 7:42:51 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
We just want to put a theory into a game, we're not claiming it to be Ron's vision or anything like that. And didn't everyone hate how Guybrush looked in CMI? We want him and everyone to look like they have in MI1\2, it doesn't make it a bad game! Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/9/01 10:37:01 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Yes I do prefer the graphics in MI2, I'm not saying you should rip MI3- I'm saying you shouldn't rip anything! |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (11/9/01 11:53:42 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Keep the beard. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Shylock AGS User (11/10/01 2:59:40 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I second that motion. And you should probably start a new thread, too. |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/10/01 8:24:25 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
that's what I've been saying, here I'll start it now. THis thread is for our whacked out theories, ok? |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/10/01 9:47:41 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Alright you game making kids, I've made you a thread even tho I believe you are way ahead of yourselves, we don't have anything sorted yet...we need patience- don't feel insulted if I ever try to make my own version one day Ok, now back to the theories, somewhere in this thread Nostradamus said: "Now if that's a Truman Show thing... WHO is controlling it? You'd probably say LeChuck but how can he control what everyone does like the director in the Truman Show while being at the surface "acting"? He can't, so it ain't him! So who is it?" Ok, mods this is where I tell you about Fester Shinetop- he IS LeChuck. When I first played the game, I presumed he used some ghost voodoo, but now I'm leaning towards the LeChuck controls the tri-island area, thru the use of underground tunnels and disguises. LeChuck could easily be Meathook or anyone else! And does anyone recall how you get to Monkey Island? You have to go to sleep!! Tell me this doesn't have a deeper meaning! Perhaps the "truman show" crew secretly move the boat or emerge the island from the water, or perhaps Guybrush "dreams" himself to the island.....But this "dream"/"truman show" is tearing me apart, its why I don't want to make the game yet, I know there's some great correlation with each...gotta be. |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/10/01 10:51:17 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I don't get the "LeChuck can be anyone else too". I have a theory about who really controls it if it's a Truman world but I'm not saying who... it will be revealed in the game. Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/10/01 11:07:40 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
well, I didn't mean it as literal as LeChuck is the mastermind. I see it more as LeChuck is the minion on the scene, the one doing the grunt work. But still, comon guys. This is too big of an idea to just rush in and poop out a plot, this has to take serious planning. Nostradamus, if you don't mind emailing your ideas so far, I'd love to take a look. I'd respect them of course. |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/10/01 8:22:52 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
After months of dicussing theories in this thread, I think we're ready for a plot. We're just doing one alternative theory, as I said we're not trying to claim solving the Monkey Island secret. If you promise to be on the team, I can E-Mail you the plot I wrote. Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/10/01 8:24:38 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Oh, but I don't have your E-Mail, Evenwolf so give it to me. Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/10/01 10:41:45 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
"on the team?" Jesus, I suppose if Dark S wanted to read the plot, he'd be shafted as well- even though he was the one who started this post, put out a hell of alot of ideas, and basically served as a catalyst to your little project. Just because these ideas were public...God. Forget it. not that you need my email now, you can find it in my profile. |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/11/01 8:02:42 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Alright, let me spill out my current theory. Sorry if this is merely a rehash of what has already been said, but anyways: Ok, Guybrush is a kid, he is in an amusement park..and he somehow got separated from his parents. All the islands: Melee, Scabb, Booty, etc are all different areas of the park which Guybrush is exagerrating in order to fit in with his obsession with pirates. He is awake, but dreams himself as a "mighty pirate" and therefore envisions himself as an "eight, erm twenty-one" year old. All the characters he meets are either carnival workers or other tourists who he also does exaggerate to fit in with his pirate fantasy. Alright, so that much we have already stated as one theory. The thing is, if this truly is what Ron had in mind, i can understand why he made no sequel to it. I mean look at what we have to work with here: a kid and his bully of a brother, and what? Well, my theory is that Ron gave up because he just couldn't simply put together the perfect story to wrap it all up, the scene where the player exclaims "holy @#%$! How did I miss that?!"* and... It would be damn hard to make a sequel off MI2, I think that's why the CMI team simply ignored these theories we've encountered. It's easier on everyone if Guybrush just stays a pirate and the secret is never revealed, because as we've seen in this thread- it's too damned confusing! So, although I don't believe the Truman Show theory is as accurate to what Ron schemed up as the dream theory, I think it would be easier to work off of, and have a better "holy @#%$!" scene..... not that I'm making a sequel tho. *think of Usual Suspects |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/11/01 11:54:54 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
OK, although I support the "Guybrush is imagining it" theory, I agree that it's really hard to do a game from it becasue you have nothing to work with. The Truman Show is easier to make and we're going to do something like that though I'm not revealing the whole story now to keep you surprised. I didn't mean to offend you Evenwolf, I just said "if you are on the team" because I don't want the story to be revelead to too many people. You know what, if you help build the plot with me then you're considered on the team, you don't have to do anything else (but anything would be helpful). I trust you not to give the story away even if you won't be on the team if I E-Mail it to you so what do you say? Nostradamus' tip of the week: If your house is haunted by ghosts... don't piss them off! |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/11/01 12:11:35 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
sure, thing man. Sorry to blow up there. I'd be happy to share some ideas, etc. (evenwolf@hotmail.com) Edited by: EvenWolf at: 11/11/01 8:06:34 pm |
| Esseb Break out the Bubbly (11/11/01 2:10:07 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Even: RG does want to make mi3. He said in an interview he'd make it if he had the rights. He has also said he regretted one thing about quitting LEC, and that is that he never could make mi3, which he already had planned out in his head. That's two interviews, so I doubt it's just a random comment. I think both of the interview are on one of mixnmojo's hosted sites, so I can't dig them up. Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/11/01 8:49:47 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
You ment evenwolf@yahoo.con not evenwoif@yahoo.com, right? Nostradamus' AGS Prediction of the week: "Pleurghburg - Dark Ages" will be crowned as one of the top 3 AGS games ever |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/11/01 9:01:52 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
actually, send it to Evenwolf@hotmail.com thanks Edited by: EvenWolf at: 11/11/01 8:06:02 pm |
| EvenWolf Expert (11/21/01 12:27:28 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Holy poo sticks... now I'm sure the CMI guys were clueless. Edited by: EvenWolf at: 11/21/01 11:29:10 am |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/21/01 8:32:40 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
See, the only difference between those two and any other people trying to make a sequel to MI2 is that those two were hired to do it by LEC. CMI & EMI are basically licensed fan games! Nostradamus' AGS Prediction of the week: Cornjob will be hired by LEC as a background artist but will quit after 2 days after they will ask him to do the art for "Day of the Tentacle 3D" |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (11/21/01 8:42:39 pm) Reply  |
Re: hmmm
yes, i pointed that out a while ago -------------- |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/22/01 12:12:52 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
My god. How pathetic. Makes you wonder how many times the script had to be revised before it was funny. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Shylock AGS User (11/22/01 12:23:43 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I don't think we should be hard on the Curse of Monkey Island team. Ron Gilbert himself is on record as saying: "Monkey 3 was pretty good." and didn't he also say that he thought the makers of CMI had made a pretty good stab at explaining the end of Monkey 2? I think calling them 'clueless' is a little harsh. It was a good game, wasn't it? |
| EvenWolf Posts too much (11/22/01 12:43:12 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
not clueless in general, but I had thought maybe they shafted Ron's idea. On the contrary, they really didn't know Ron's idea. |
| Shylock AGS User (11/22/01 12:55:06 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Ah, sorry - my mistake. I thought you meant clueless as in 'stupid'. Doh! |
| Nostradamus Posts too much (11/22/01 12:04:44 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I think Ron said that because if he would say "this game sucks, it's nothing like I wanted it to be" then people would szay "then why don't YOU make the sequel?" Nostradamus' AGS Prediction of the week: Cornjob will be hired by LEC as a background artist but will quit after 2 days after they will ask him to do the art for "Day of the Tentacle 3D" |
| Shylock Unregistered User (11/22/01 12:22:45 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
But he wanted to make the sequel, didn't he? Which is more of a motive to say "Curse of Monkey Island was crap", so as to suggest that the project should have been given to him. |
| EvenWolf Posts too much (11/22/01 12:37:14 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Nah, nost I'm sure he liked it. They did a really good job and brought a lot of old fans (I included) back to MI as well as tons of new fans. He probably wouldve had a heart attack if they made the exact same game he had planned. Besides, they were right- no one wouldve liked it w/o pirates. |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/23/01 12:20:23 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I think they're stupid, but anyways, CMI was decent. Better than the vomit of EMI. Anyhoo. I started playing MI2 again a couple of days ago at work, since I can't do anything else anymore. So on Phatt Island, when you turn off the waterfall, the "cave" tunnels are exactly the same as the Big Whoop ones. BUM BUM BUUUUUM. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| EvenWolf Posts too much (11/23/01 6:16:20 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
yeah, man. Have you spotted anything else? I've been playing MI1, once I'm done I'll move on to 2. |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/23/01 1:26:35 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Well, the voodoo lady says that Big Whoop is the key to another world and that that's the only way Guybrush will be able to escape from LeChuck. Okay, that's not an exact quote, but I forgot what she said. It was close to that. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/23/01 10:50:27 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Ok, finished it today. The only other wierd thing was when the crate of voodoo stuff shows up. Two guys in jumpsuits come to get it and take it away in a truck. Not only that, but one of them is the guy that shows up at the end and says "Hey! You kids aren't supposed to be in here" or whatever. So this and the waterfall-tunnel thing have firmly planted the "Guybrush imagining the whole thing" theory into my head. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Esseb Break out the Bubbly (11/23/01 10:54:33 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Damn, I had forgotten all about the crate. I remembered the tunnel though. Monkey wrench, that was the hardest puzzle in the game for me . Why they hell
is it called that?Anyway, I distinctly remember the destination of the crate was written on it. If it did, know what it said Rode? Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (11/24/01 12:56:53 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I didn't even make the connection between "Monkey-wrench" (Spanner!) and opening the valve. I just though jojo looked the right shape. It was the first thing I tried him on. It was the drinking competition that got me stumped, though it looks so easy in hind sight. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/24/01 8:22:26 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I didn't even make the connection. He just looked like a bolt turner thing to me. Anyways, I think the crate has either 'voodoo' or 'lechuck' written on it. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| EvenWolf Posts too much (11/24/01 12:10:15 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
man, Largo took me forever...years just to realize that a bucket of mud should be placed over the door. Sheesh, after that it was smooth sailing. |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/24/01 4:34:35 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Ooh, also, check out the mountain on Booty Island. Look familiar? :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| M0DS
Moderator (11/26/01 11:41:58 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
BTW, anyone got all these posts logged or saved in a TXT?? Mods Mark "Mods" Lovegrove |
| Esseb Break out the Bubbly (11/27/01 12:09:30 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
pub6.ezboard.com/fdosuserforumsgeneraldiscussion.showMessageRange?topicID=382.topic&start=1&stop=216 Click that link and you'll have the entire thread in one window. Just replace the last number with how many replies there are then. 216 with this reply. Then, just save it using internet explorer. Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/27/01 3:33:19 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Well. I played through Monkey 2 Lite today. Very very sad. Took about an hour. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| EvenWolf
Fountain of Knowledge (11/27/01 7:54:26 am) Reply .jpg) |
Re: hmmm
i have never played lite..... I guess I should in order to gain the whole experience. I can't imagine how they would alter it....just a few puzzles lacking or what? |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (11/27/01 8:10:54 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm
incidently, is the lite version available on the CD version of the game? -------------- |
Ben
 Break out the Bubbly (11/27/01 9:54:51 pm) Reply  |
Re: hmmm
No, it came with the original MI2. I think it's just the same story without any puzzles, but I've never played it so I'm not sure.. --------------------- |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/28/01 12:40:01 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
There are some puzzles, but no there aren't. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (11/28/01 6:24:47 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I'm glad I never played it, it would have ruined the real game. For example I'd already now what the goals were, and I'd know the structure. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| 2ma2 Break out the Bubbly (11/28/01 9:44:06 am) Reply  |
Re: hmmm
Hmm.. playing an adventure without puzzles would be rather.. poor wouldn't it? I never completed MI2.. got stuck on that god dam first island. Couldn't get something 'of the thread'.. so I guess I may appear rather pathetic now Anyway, I'm downloading it again now... Meus Deus! Securi im capite meo est... |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (11/29/01 12:17:51 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
In Monkey Lite they give you the 'of the thread' right away, but it's not the same 'of the thread' as in the regular game. IE, in lite it's a shirt but in regular it's something else. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
EvenWolf
 Posts too much (11/29/01 12:21:13 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
cool, I need to play lite to see the differences. Hey 2ma2, I got the stuck the same way you did, the only item you need to use is the bucket. First you must "dip" it somewhere, then you must place it somewhere strategic. (Ever watch Bozo the clown?) heh. You're probably not even interested in playing anymore
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| Las
Naranjas Moderator (11/29/01 7:05:22 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
Though remember to be polite. close doors behind you. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (12/4/01 10:32:11 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
this is a good cue to bump this post up... *bump* -------------- |
| netmonkey Expert (12/7/01 4:18:03 am) Reply  |
Re: hmmm
See, the reason why they did a 3rd monkey island game was because nobody understood the ending of 2 (rated one of the 10 worst endings by gamespot because the staff did not understand the meaning of it) so they were a ble to do a brand new game with a new explanation to that ending. They oviously knew the ending... the designers worked on monkey island 2... they could always ask Ron about it anyway. I talked to Dave Grossman, designer of Day of the Tentacle... he knows the secret, but he didn't want to say what it was. If he knew, then Ackley/Ahern (designers of CMI) knew.. but how can you make a new game to explain such an eding? It's a cool ending, but I think it needed more clues... just look at the movie the sixth sense, for example... you understand what happens in the end because of what happens in the beggining of the movie (along with all kinds of clues and small tricks). I remember when I went to see the first time, I didn't see the intro.. (I was like 15min. late for the movie)... then it took me a while to understand what it all meant... I knew the secret of monkey island 2 years ago. There is no need to guess or come up with theories. The secret is that Monkey Island is a ride in an amusement park, and this kid called Guybrush got off track and started wondering around the place. He wanted to be a pirate just like the people in the ride. Everthing else is just the child's imagination, like when your a baby, a spoon is an airplaine? You really see an airplane, not a spoon. In monkey island, you also see that airplane but also elements of the spoon. Eventually Guybrush got so into it, he forgot and started to believe he was a pirate, but then he realized this needed to end, so he went to find big whoop, or the amusement park... the real world. It's a lot like the music video thriller.... the glowing eyes and stuff. in the end, did the zombies from thriller come to life, or was it just an illusion of the mind? It's an ending open for interpretation, not for making another sequel. First clue... Ugly Pirate: "Come on, guybrush! Stay in character." I liked monkey island 3.. it was a fun adventure and did its best to explain what happened and what big whoop was... monkey 4? sold out, good adventure still, though. Why wasn't the secret not out? that's like giving away the end of empire strikes back in 1980, but heck, it's been 10 freaking years now... I think it's time for it to be revealed.... oh, and there was the confusion on CMI.... More stuff: About the old-school park, it was probably an art style.. notice that the guy whow finds guybrush and lechuck is wearing a jumpsuit. Maybe guybrush didn't get just lost in a Pirates of the caribbean-like ride... maybe he just got lost in the park too.. that's why big whoop background looks like booty island. MonkeyGames Entertainment - Home of Rob Blanc
and Run Hot (and that really old game... The Treasure of Drunk
Island) |
| Sutebi
Expert (12/7/01 4:22:48 am) Reply  |
Re: hmmm
I think they will tease us a bit more with Monkey Island 5 before Ron Gilbert actually reveals what he had intended for the game. And a side note, I just read all 200-some-odd posts of this thread, I started at 8:00 PM here, it is not 10:30 PM. I think this is good testament that I have no life. ----------------------------------- |
| Trapezoid AGS User (12/7/01 4:25:38 am) Reply  |
Re: hmmm
I think Ron only came up with the secret in Monkey Island 2. I think all the anachronisms in MI1 were just goofy jokes. |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (12/7/01 4:40:56 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I think they'll do two more pathetic sequels and Ron will get annoyed and reveal it. That will be a big day indeed... well... for us anyways... :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Trapezoid AGS User (12/7/01 4:47:11 am) Reply |
Re: hmmm
I think MI is a great vehicle for comedic adventure, though. It's a series. If you don't like the latest one, big deal, they can make another one and you aren't obligated to like it even less. Computer games are different from movies... |
| jannar85
Expert (12/7/01 1:20:58 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
I think Ron made the secret in Monkey Island 2, cuz there is not much in MI1... I KNOWS Ron had a secret, or else he wouldn't have made a sequel...!!! -= Adventure Pit =- www.adventurepit.cjb.net |
| Shylock Knows their stuff (12/7/01 4:17:54 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
I think the interviews here show that Ron Gilbert had intended a 'secret' right from the first game, and that the MI3 team didn't know what it was so had to come up with their own solution. |
| Meksilon Unregistered User (12/23/01 8:30:15 am) Reply |
The Secret
I read my way through this, and I can't beleive no one put one and one together: The Secret of Monkey Island, the TRUE secret is now more obvious to me then ever. And you really only have to look at the characters, and who they are. Here are some: Guy (brush file) Threepwood: Seeks to prove himself. Elaine: Govener, Follows Guybrush? Voodoo Lady: Helper, Follows Guybrush? Herman: Loves the outdoors, Follows Guybrush? Men of Low Moral Fiber: Lazy as hell, Follows Guybrush? NO. Actually they are all put in a senario together, and portray diffrent Characters, so what does this mean? It means they are all kids at Big Whoop ROLE playing some "Monkey Island" game or something. So after their first game, some didn't play the second time and some more kids joined in; hence so many returning Characters in the new world. Ron Gilbert gave us the answer and we just ignored it - Elaine is wondering where Guybrush is because she's still in the game. Now all the elements in the game actually help to verify this. Here's some: On Melee Island the clock face never moves, time is passing more slowly in reality then appears in the game. Then there are the TRADEMARKS, trademarks of an amusement park. Then there are the more modern elements like the Grog machines... but most are less noticable, like "ask m about loom", the security door and (MI2) Stan's flashy sign... as well as that Elvis plate. That pretty much ties up all loose ends... for now. =mek= |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/23/01 8:49:44 am) Reply |
Re: The Secret
I read my way through this, and I can't beleive no one put one and one together: The Secret of Monkey Island, the TRUE secret is now more obvious to me then ever. And you really only have to look at the characters, and who they are. Here are some: Guy (brush file) Threepwood: Seeks to prove himself. Elaine: Govener, Follows Guybrush? Voodoo Lady: Helper, Follows Guybrush? Herman: Loves the outdoors, Follows Guybrush? Men of Low Moral Fiber: Lazy as hell, Follows Guybrush? NO. Actually they are all put in a senario together, and portray diffrent Characters, so what does this mean? It means they are all kids at Big Whoop ROLE playing some "Monkey Island" game or something. So after their first game, some didn't play the second time and some more kids joined in; hence so many returning Characters in the new world. Ron Gilbert gave us the answer and we just ignored it - Elaine is wondering where Guybrush is because she's still in the game. Now all the elements in the game actually help to verify this. Here's some: On Melee Island the clock face never moves, time is passing more slowly in reality then appears in the game. Then there are the TRADEMARKS, trademarks of an amusement park. Then there are the more modern elements like the Grog machines... but most are less noticable, like "ask m about loom", the security door and (MI2) Stan's flashy sign... as well as that Elvis plate. That pretty much ties up all loose ends... for now. See I can repeat what other people have said as well. Don't worry, newbies always do it. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| meksilon Newbie (12/24/01 12:26:43 am) Reply |
kids
I'm simply saying I don't think it was all Guybrush's imagination, and that they are all kids, all kids, all kids! It makes so much more sence like that anyway. =mek= |
| Mr
Colossal Posts too much (12/24/01 2:36:35 am) Reply |
i did
that's what i think i just never posted it it's just a game and they are kids and hello meksilon please don't be a dick here like you were on the scramm board other wise, welcome eric |
| Shylock Knows their stuff (12/24/01 3:00:56 am) Reply |
Secret of MI
That would explain how Elaine could wonder where Guybrush was (which she couldn't do if she was a figment of his imagination and the game had ended), and why LeChuck also becomes a kid at the end (just another of the kids playing along). But it doesn't explain LeChuck's/Chuckie's 'google-eyed' bit at the end. You could argue that he was imagining it - continuing the game in his own head when Guybrush had stopped playing, I suppose. It's just that when Guybrush and LeChuck become kids, all the imaginings of the Carribean, Pirates, and Voodoo powers goes away (as far as what the player can see on screen). It seems strange to me that the player isn't able to 'see' Guybrush's idea that he's in a pirate world at this point, but then is able to see Chuckie's idea that he still has voodoo powers - unless he really does have voodoo powers. Also, the way LeChuck/Chuckie looks out of the screen at the player, in an 'I know something they don't know' fashion suggests that he knows that he isn't really some ordinary kid on a fairground ride. |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/24/01 5:53:46 am) Reply |
Re: Secret of
MI
The problem with this theory is that it's like Ptolemy's epicircular theory of the heavens. It explains what happens, but it can be used to explain anything. It worked for the celestial movents, but it still could have worked if the planets went round in trapeziums or octogons on bluecups. In here you can expain everything as part of his imagination, but you could argue it's all part of lechucks curse, and since it's all about dreaming and the like we cut back down to solipist arguments that never get anywhere because all proof that can be placed forward can be refuted utterly using the metaphysics of the opposing argument. @#%$ you Descartes!
"You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Mr
Colossal Posts too much (12/24/01 7:02:47 am) Reply |
Re: Secret of
MI
shylock it's just a game, no worries people are wondering why lechuck's eyes glow when he's a kid and all that, and why all the TM's and why all the this and that it's a game maybe the glowy eyes had a reason and maybe they were there to just show a sequel was on the way and maybe i spelled sequel wrong or maybe not, Roger isn't on irc to tell me i remember reading on her or irc where people were trying to explain all the monkey's it's just a joke, a gag i don't know, maybe one shouldn't read toooooo far into these games because they are just that these are games and they need plots and plot twists and especially puzzles i dunno, i'm stopping now eric ------- "i would take han solo, cause he could shoot the
stormtroopers, Digital-Chris Jones Digital-Helm AGS Community White Board |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (12/24/01 7:36:02 am) Reply |
Re: Secret of
MI
STOP TRYING TO RUIN OUR LONG THREAD OF SELF-IMPORTANCINATION!!!!! :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/24/01 11:11:38 am) Reply |
Re: Secret of
MI
I concur "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Mr
Colossal Posts too much (12/25/01 7:59:48 am) Reply |
Re: Secret of
MI
not trying to ruin anything everyone stated [and continues to state] their opinion so i did ------- "i would take han solo, cause he could shoot the
stormtroopers, Digital-Chris Jones Digital-Helm AGS Community White Board |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/25/01 12:38:21 pm) Reply |
Re: Secret of
MI
I concured with you "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (12/25/01 3:02:28 pm) Reply |
Re: Secret of
MI
No one is allowed to state their opinion. Sorry. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (12/25/01 6:02:59 pm) Reply |
well...
I still think the idea that they're all kids is wrong... Ron was planning to make it a trilogy (so he said in one of the interveiws) so there is still more story after MI2... And as i've said before: how would guybursh turning out to be a kid translate into a third MI game? It'd be like in Dallas when they tried to revive one of the characters by making the entire pervious season someone's dream... |
| meksilon Newbie (12/26/01 6:35:40 am) Reply  |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Hello Eric, sorry to not remember you . [Back on topic
replying to Dark Stalkey] Guybrush did say "you're my creepy brother
Chucky" (something like that) which implies Chucky was, or rather is, this
little terror. You just have to look at his behaviour as LeChuck to see
how twisted and Evil he is.Still Ron should spit it out to us... to KNOW the Secret would be something. Or perhapps it's a joke - he and a hlaf dozen others know the secret but will NEVER tell? The next installment could take place while they are kids could it not? But the more you think about it, the more impossible it is to be a part of the 1600s... and the Trademarks... and monkeys in the caribbean? Ron said that the secret is in there... even with just the first game you can still find it. =mek= |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/26/01 8:44:17 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Ghosts, Zombies, Demons and voodoo may be. It's fiction, not an historical drama, reading anything into the tms and technology acheives nothing, they could easily just be jokes (and as yet I still beleive that's what they are). None of us can prove their argument, and we're acheiveing nothing through reiteration and the hurling of sophistries. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| meksilon Newbie (12/28/01 1:15:17 pm) Reply |
Simplicity
> Ghosts, Zombies, Demons and voodoo may be. > It's fiction, not an historical drama, reading anything into the tms and technology acheives nothing, they could easily just be jokes (and as yet I still beleive that's what they are). Now you mention it... the secret is evidenent in the first game alone and on that basis the secret is simply thus: What were were playing was not reality. Simple, any fool should know that! =mek= |
| Sylpher Knows their stuff (12/28/01 7:40:20 pm) Reply | Edit  |
Re: Simplicity
I wonder what ron would think if he read through this post... anyways if the game was intended to be a trilogy that means we don't have all the clues. we don't have all the pieces to the puzzle so trying to figure out the secret is rather difficult (not impossible) but not very likley. I'm sure Ron intentionally left stuff out of Mi2 so he could use it for 3. if he put all the clues you needed to solve the secret in 1 and 2 what would be left for 3 other then blant clues smacking you in the face. Just pray that somehow someday Ron gets the rights to the game or Somehow works with Lucasarts to finally release the true ending. Edit - Imagine if Mr. Lucas only released Stars Wars: A new hope, and empire strikes back... think of just watching the first 2 star wars and not knowing anything about return of the jedi. So many unanswered questions... Brought to you by, |
| Mr
Colossal Posts too much (12/29/01 12:29:54 am) Reply |
Re: Simplicity
just cause i'm an ass: those weren't the first 2 star wars movies signed, an ass ------- "i would take han solo, cause he could shoot the
stormtroopers, Digital-Chris Jones Digital-Helm AGS Community White Board |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/29/01 12:50:16 am) Reply |
Re: Simplicity
Because this is the longest thread I've seen on this forum, and I'd dearly like to see it reach 3-0-0, we have to keep it alive. We would have had some threads of similair length during the 100 post limit period, for example all the ones where we debated philosophy, solipism, time travel and ethics, but hey. I'm incredibly glad they never made a Star Wars adventure game. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| goldmund Unregistered User (12/29/01 2:38:58 am) Reply |
Star Wars
adventure
"I'm incredibly glad they never made a Star Wars adventure game." Yes they did. Germans released this little gem: http://www.c64games.de/showfile.asp?LG=E&FileID=42 |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/29/01 6:03:04 am) Reply |
Re: Star Wars
adventure
By "them" I meant Lucas Arts, not the Game industry in General, maybe I should have been more clear. What's south in Space by the way? "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Sylpher Knows their stuff (12/29/01 7:46:21 am) Reply | Edit |
obi
Mr. Ass: depends on how you look at it. I may have meant the first 2 released and not the first to in the serie... hmm why am I argueing with an ass? I agree that I think Guybrush is on some type of ride. As Ron has said Monkey Island was influenced by Pirates of the caribean...but I think there are pieces of the puzzle that we are missing so we can't give a good guess. I did read in an interview somewere that the CMI contacted Ron cause they had no clue what the ending to Mi2 meant so that leads me to believe CMI is just their best guess. I really wish LEC would start to make games other then Star wars...I understand a lot of star wars games cause I mean it's lucas arts...but the the ratio of star wars games to non-star wars games is easily 10 to 1...thats just sickening. Brought to you by, |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/29/01 9:54:49 am) Reply |
Re: obi
Especially when they make things like Rebel Assault, where you die because you decide to fly ofn the other side of the pole than the programmed route. The most linear game in existance. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Mr
Colossal Posts too much (12/29/01 10:12:37 am) Reply |
Re: obi
i can't wait till these last 2 movies are done... granted that will take many years... but then maybe they can move off the starwars a little stupid fan boys eric ------- Digital-Chris Jones Digital-Helm AGS Community White Board |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (12/29/01 11:31:04 am) Reply |
star wars, shmar
wars
If anything this post has inspired me to only finish parts 1 and 2 of my game, have the most insane and elusive ending ever to part 2, then let sqaulman do part 3... Or not |
| meksilon Newbie (12/29/01 1:10:34 pm) Reply |
Trilogy
I think it's true that Ron intended to make a 3rd game, but that dosen't mean it was essential to understanding the secret. I'm quite sure he said somthing to the effect of "If you play The Secret of Monkey Island and keep your eyes open you can see the secret". It's true we might not know the full story but we can at least know the secret. =mek= |
| Sylpher Knows their stuff (12/29/01 7:31:31 pm) Reply | Edit |
Re: Trilogy
I dunno about that if I go back to Star wars 4 a new hope their are many subtle hints that Darth Vader is lukes father. but I would have never guessed it in a million years. It's easy for Ron to see what all the hints mean cause he knows the secret. Somethings that we take for granted may be a big part of the puzzle. Their may be enough clues in Mi1 and 2 to figure it out but we don't know if we are right or not..making it rather hard. Brought to you by, |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/30/01 12:58:56 am) Reply |
Re: Trilogy
I seriously doubt Ron did now what the secret was in Secret. Of course he said that he did, and there were hints, but he has no responsibility towards the seiries anymore, he can muddy the waters all he wants. I doubt there was ever, or was ever intended to be a secret in the strictist terms of the word, not one that gets revealed as a plot point anyhow. And now he can have riotous fun watching people pick over trivial points for something that was just a funny idea. It's just good sport to say vague statements that send them on wild goose chases. Just one unrelated point, I found a peice of MI fanfiction from about 1998. It's absolutely shocking, written by a 10 year old stuff, but it's suprisingly similair to the end of EMI (in relation to the monkey head) "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| meksilon Newbie (12/30/01 4:40:14 am) Reply |
Re: EMI
> Just one unrelated point, I found a peice of MI fanfiction from about 1998. It's absolutely shocking, written by a 10 year old stuff, but it's suprisingly similair to the end of EMI (in relation to the monkey head) Which just proves how shocking EMI is. When I was a kid, after playing through both MI games I didn't beleive there was a secret in there - the title was "The Secret of Monkey Island", but I never understood the title. Perhapps I still don't, but I now understand that there's more to the game's story then first meets the eye. Monkey Island 2 had a very strong story, from a "Big Whoop" treasure hunt it really drew me in. CMI was a carbon copy of MI1 - the first part let's get Guybrush off the island, the second part is his voyage to another island... 3rd part takes you to lechuck and the final part is where he kills lechuck. Oh yes and let's re-introduce the insult-swordfighting! But MI1 and MI2 had always suggested that perhapps they weren't in the "real world" - from grog machines, titles marked as trademarks... ghosts, A head with no body, vegiterian cannibals, a talking tatto... Scab is always night, Booty and Phatt are day, Guybrush got his name from the fact he is a brush file, and this wimpy little guy can hold his breath underwater without passing out for 10 minutes. Then there's the coinsidental hit on the banana tree, Herman's waiting to be rescued but has a boat, the primitive futeristic locking mechanisim used by the Cannibals on your cell and a monkey bigger then king kong. As if that isn't enough, the troll is George Lucas and Guybrush's DREAM in MI2 passes into that reality. Wally can use an ordinary lense as a replacement for a monicle, guybrush can fit an enourmous giant-monkey-head-key into his pocket... the list goes on. We have all the evidence we need. =mek= |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/30/01 6:26:00 am) Reply |
Re: EMI
I still beleive that they are just cartoony jokes. But the point is, neither of us can prove anything. We can only hurl sophistries. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| cornjob
dot com Break out the Bubbly (12/30/01 8:43:07 am) Reply  |
Re: EMI
You guys are making me want to actually play these games. Maybe someday... |
| Mr
Colossal Posts too much (12/30/01 10:06:11 am) Reply |
Re: EMI
But MI1 and MI2 had always suggested that perhapps they weren't in the "real world" - from grog machines joke titles marked as trademarks... joke ghosts story element A head with no body inventory item vegiterian cannibals joke a talking tatto... joke Scab is always night, Booty and Phatt are day joke Guybrush got his name from the fact he is a brush file, cute inside story about making the game this wimpy little guy can hold his breath underwater without passing out for 10 minutes. joke, prevention of the player from dying Then there's the coinsidental hit on the banana tree you mean with the rock? or what? what's going on? the rubber tree? if you mean the rubber tree: joke [on sierra, so it's the best joke of all] Herman's waiting to be rescued but has a boat joke the primitive futeristic locking mechanisim used by the Cannibals on your cell and a monkey bigger then king kong. joke and joke the troll is George Lucas and Guybrush's DREAM in MI2 passes into that reality. Wally can use an ordinary lense as a replacement for a monicle, guybrush can fit an enourmous giant-monkey-head-key into his pocket... the list goes on. joke, joke, puzzle solving, and joke... or maybe the monkey head was a falsie to impress elaine marley We have all the evidence we need. yes, that the monkey island games are very funny indeed i'm sorry if i'm, again, raining on anyone's parade eric sorry for the long post, cause it was really meaningless of me to do all this with the italics and the quotes and the HOY! Froynlavin! ------- Digital-Chris Jones Digital-Helm AGS Community White Board |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/30/01 11:12:05 am) Reply |
Re: EMI
I concur completely "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (12/30/01 1:20:49 pm) Reply |
Re: EMI
To quote Ron again, in case you've all forgotten: "In fact, you'll see when you play that there are a lot of anachronisms, like the vending machine at Stan's used ship yard. They're there to add humor to the game of course, but they also have a secret, deeper relevance to the story -- but I'm keeping that secret for the sequel." That quote was the entire reason i brought this up in the first place... otherwise i would have agreed with eric -------------- |
| Mr
Colossal Posts too much (12/30/01 10:26:27 pm) Reply |
in jest and
digest
listen Dark... no one wants your "quotes" or your "truth" or your "relevant facts that destroy my arguement all together!" ok!! so why don't you just run along to "TRUTH LAND!" and let me wallow in "Vague General Statements Land"? ok? thanks e ------- Digital-Chris Jones Digital-Helm AGS Community White Board |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (12/30/01 11:06:23 pm) Reply |
Re: in jest and
digest
Yo-ho-ho... sorry to spoil your fun... "Vague General Statements Land" is much more fun, we don't get any of those goverment cover-up and ufo theories over here... -------------- |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/31/01 12:34:06 am) Reply |
Re: in jest and
digest
Ron giving you a line brother. He's pulling your leg. He can say what ever he wants now, and its the perfect oppurtunity to see amazing amounts og gullible monkeyites scrapple over petty jokes finding deeper meaning. God it must be funny from his angle. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/31/01 12:37:15 am) Reply |
Re: in jest and
digest
btw no ufo theories and the like, just alot of twits in white robes trying to look for mystical messages in the leylines.
"You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Shylock Knows their stuff (12/31/01 2:36:46 am) Reply |
Re: in jest and
Reader's Digest
But Ron said that before he wrote the sequel, not after the games were passed on to a different team. And I agree on all of the things that Mr Colossal listed being jokes, apart from the theme park anachronisms (grog machines, trademarks, T-shirts, etc), which are jokes and clues. Perhaps. |
| meksilon Newbie (12/31/01 3:22:26 am) Reply |
Re: in jest and
Reader's Digest
We have not been given any evidence that Ron is "pulling our legs". Ron was probably planning on a great 3rd game, it's a shame we never saw it. =mek= |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (12/31/01 10:56:28 am) Reply |
Re: in jest and
Reader's Digest
I won't bother saying it a third time. Maybe the readers digest version, really slimmed down "Hurling sophistries....can't prove anything....either side" "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (1/1/02 3:37:35 am) Reply |
Re: in jest and
Reader's Digest
Well, i've sort of run out of energy on this debate now, all the relevent stuff has been said... but there's still 25 posts to go damnit, so i'm keeping this one alive
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| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/1/02 6:23:57 am) Reply |
Re: in jest and
Reader's Digest
too right. But to keep it alive I'll pull out the greatest sophistry on earth. I must be right, because I am the only thing that I can confirm the existence of, combined with the observation of all collapsing the waveform, that is verifying and creating it's existence, all the ether is a product of the one entity capable of observation whos existence can be confirmed. That is to say mine. Ergo, this is all the porduct of my subconscious cogitation and as such, being responsible for it, I must be right. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Mr
Colossal Posts too much (1/1/02 8:41:19 am) Reply |
if someone gets this
quote, i'll crap myself, and then eatit
The Empire Never Ended. ------- Digital-Chris Jones Digital-Helm AGS Community White Board |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/1/02 9:20:31 am) Reply |
Re: if someone gets
this quote, i'll crap myself, and then e
I get it. yeah.... "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Ron
Gilbert Unregistered User (1/1/02 4:01:06 pm) Reply |
Maybe I can explain a
few things.
Hello everyone! A friend of mine passed this link to me. I found it very interesting to read how something I started created such a large amount of controversy. It's kinda like my own private Twin Peaks! But seriously, there are a few things I should explain. Firstly, I did have an idea for a third Monkey Island game in the works before I left LucasArts. A pity, although they did make an interesting enough game on their own. It's also an interesting theory you guys have on Guybrush and LeChuck actually being kids at a theme park. Although I didn't actually intend the theory (or plan the whole trilogy from scratch) it's still a brilliant theory. I'm quite impressed. But with all honesty, both Monkey Island 1 and 2 were planned in order, so we were kinda making the story up as we went along. It's great that you've pointed out these intergrated parts of each game that relate (if not my intention). Therefore, you've discovered something extra in the game, and for this I commend you all. Keep with these theories guys! They're great! And keep with these games too! Some are very first class! Ron Gilbert |
| Esseb Break out the Bubbly (1/1/02 5:04:40 pm) Reply |
Re: We're not
worthy
... Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (1/1/02 5:10:10 pm) Reply |
Re: We're not
worthy
Yowza, who sould come along and blow all our theoires out the water but Ron himself... I hope stay around for a while Ron, oh, and if you ever do your own MI3 you know who to call *twiddles thumbs* Buggerit, we're going to have to start all over again with our theories now.. -------------- |
| JeroenDekker Expert (1/1/02 5:15:01 pm) Reply |
:D
w00000t! |
| Ron
Gilbert Unregistered User (1/1/02 5:16:41 pm) Reply |
HEHEHEHEHEHE
Fooled ya
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| Esseb Break out the Bubbly (1/1/02 7:14:39 pm) Reply |
Re:
HEHEHEHEHEHE
I was going to say "aha, I foiled your evil plans; you're just an imposter", but I wouldn't want mr. Gilbert to think I was a twat if it really was him. Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Ron
Gilbert Unregistered User (1/1/02 7:40:59 pm) Reply |
Well...
You're a twat.
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| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (1/1/02 7:50:18 pm) Reply |
Re: Well...
I think a certain daniel g mcpherson is up to his usual tricks again... Then again i may be wrong... he usually lets at least 20 posts go by before owning up
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| Rodekill77 Moderator (1/1/02 8:25:18 pm) Reply |
oih
Wow. Imagine Jesus showed up and told us all how to save the world? I mean, we'd probably laugh and say "Oh DGMacphee, you are such a hilarious joker!" and forget about it, but imagine it was true and we condemned the world to an eternity of flaming misery and suffering? Either way I hope Ron has really visited here at some point and saw how much his stuff has influenced our stuff. |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/2/02 1:56:13 am) Reply |
Re: oih
He'd probably say "What, I never said I was the son of God, and why you dissin' my Magdelene bitch?" The he'd go hang with the homies. That Ron post was well constructed though. What if, to muddy the waters immensley, the original Ron post was real, and the later one's were fake by a theoristunable to comprehend their theories were wrong.
"You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (1/2/02 4:25:03 am) Reply  |
Re: oih
I think it was Ron Gilbert, of course. Visit the gac homepage: http://www.gac.gamespage.com and be complete. |
| Dark
Stalkey Posts too much (1/2/02 4:24:55 pm) Reply |
Re: oih
"What if, to muddy the waters immensley, the original Ron post was real, and the later one's were fake by a theoristunable to comprehend their theories were wrong." It wasn't me ya big poobungie.. -------------- |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/3/02 1:17:07 am) Reply |
Re: oih
By "me", do you mean all versions of you allowing for transdimensional travel and time travel, or just the present you, which you no longer are. If you did time travel, one amazingly, well, colossal man's gunna come down on you. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Dark
Stalkey Moderator (1/3/02 8:13:10 pm) Reply |
Re: oih
Look what Bill Tiller has to say about the ending of MI2: "I think the ending to Monkey Two seemed to indicate it was all a dream, but Elaine was outside waiting for Guybrush. It could be that the real world and the world of Monkey Island exist side by side and the secret is the doorway between the worlds and Guybrush was a kid riding an amusement park ride who then inexplicably got transported there. My guess is that was the original secret, but that idea was abandoned for the whole "Portal to Hell/ Carnival of the Damned” secret." -------------- |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/4/02 1:14:34 am) Reply |
Re: oih
I thought the entrance to hell was just the CMI expanation for Big Whoop, not the secret, LeChuck dosen't know the secret (in CMI). But that's irrelevant. What is relevant is we need two more posts "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (1/5/02 12:28:01 am) Reply |
Re: oih
Too bad Ron went away. I was going to ask him to collaborate with me on RK3. I know he would have said yes too. Dammit. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| AdventureGameAficionado Moderator (1/5/02 12:32:03 am) Reply |
Re: oih
I think this is all a load of bull. Or maybe not... Adventure Game Aficionado |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/5/02 3:03:19 am) Reply |
Re: oih
I should learn to count. man! Gotta keep this post alive. Better think up something. aha! Damn I hate AGA
"You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| AdventureGameAficionado Moderator (1/5/02 3:07:55 am) Reply |
Re: oih
Well, I hate Communism, so there! Go on, respond, I dares ya! :P Adventure Game Aficionado |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/5/02 3:09:40 am) Reply |
Re: oih
yeah man? yeah man. well @#%$ you man! @#%$ you! Overrrrrr to youuuu AGA! You get the biggy "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| AdventureGameAficionado Moderator (1/5/02 3:11:03 am) Reply |
Re: oih
Ta ta ta ta ta ta taaaaaaa...... Well, you smell! :P Adventure Game Aficionado |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/5/02 3:13:06 am) Reply |
Re: oih
yeah, well I'm gunna slap you in the face with my chubby @#%$. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| highwaygal Expert (1/5/02 3:13:29 am) Reply  |
Re: oih
I like oranges. They're orange and yummy. Here, don't you say i don't contribute anything to this community! I Wanna be an alcoholic |
| AdventureGameAficionado Moderator (1/5/02 3:17:23 am) Reply |
Re: oih
I don't like Oranges, they (and he) smell Adventure Game Aficionado |
| highwaygal Expert (1/5/02 3:18:42 am) Reply |
Re: oih
oh yeah I Wanna be an alcoholic |
| AdventureGameAficionado Moderator (1/5/02 3:20:58 am) Reply |
Re: oih
Monkey Island Thought I'd better say that to keep this on-topic. PS: Yeah! Adventure Game Aficionado |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/5/02 12:01:29 pm) Reply |
Re: oih
we guNa dO thaT ZAk2 thINGy AGA? I gOt psyK star w0rz spRiteZ! "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| AdventureGameAficionado Moderator (1/5/02 3:23:43 pm) Reply |
Re: oih
Session Start: Sat Jan 05 02:22:32 2002 *** Now talking in #realrealags <AGA> ME LIKES PORN <[eric]> So what gamez are we all w0rokin on? <LasNaranjas> is visy gunna tell us about that teenage pervert site again? <LasNaranjas> for ags... <AGA> Me is working on.... DED MANZ POLITICUL PARYT <AGA> PARTY <[eric]> ne1 want to draw my charaktors?!!? <AGA> Ne1 want 2 do my scriptin <LasNaranjas> I got aA grate idea <AGA> Letz do a MONKEY ISLAND fangame <[eric]> hehehehhehehhehhehhehehH!!!111 <[eric]> YAYA!! <[eric]> i'mm email ron gilbert! <LasNaranjas> A sequel CaLEd "Lechuck, orange pirate" Revenfge 15 <LasNaranjas> cause he got brought back to life with orange elctricity <LasNaranjas> and he's mAd! <AGA> And in thees one, yew finulyy kill lechuck <[eric]> that sounds kewl!! <LasNaranjas> PSYK! <[eric]> WHAT!!!! <[eric]> -! *** AGA is now known as GuybrushLechuck <GuybrushLechuck> I'm kewk <GuybrushLechuck> kewl <LasNaranjas> sick + psyk *** GuybrushLechuck is now known as AGA <LasNaranjas> equals LCOP! <AGA> Or: a Indy remake!!^!!W!"!!! <[eric]> INDY MEATS GUYBRUSH!!!! <AGA> And ZAK! <AGA> And they fight <AGA> with sword <AGA> s <[eric]> lightsabors! <AGA> and whips <AGA> and insults <AGA> and... fish-bowls <[eric]> A/S/L!!!! <AGA> 16/M/UK!!!! <[eric]> LOLOLO!!! i'm just kidding!!! <[eric]> HAHAHAHH!! <[eric]> i said "A/S/L" <[eric]> and you totally said! "16/m/uk!!!"" <AGA> Well, u r gay <[eric]> ...how did you know? <AGA> Helm sed <LasNaranjas> was it " U R gay" in a direct comment? <LasNaranjas> anyways, They go to the Seinfled universe and MeT AliEnZ <AGA> Yeah and Monica Lewinski suckz em e <AGA> off <[eric]> what about southparlk?!?! is kenny there? <AGA> Ayeap <AGA> And... Satan's gay an he... bums em all <LasNaranjas> Then WE Gert StAr W0rz <AGA> And the hAve A PoD RaCE <[eric]> GREAT! i'm email Ron Gilbert!! Adventure Game Aficionado |
| dgmacphee Break out the Bubbly (1/5/02 3:32:08 pm) Reply |
Re: oih
Don't forget the mexicans!!!
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Andail
 Expert (1/5/02 11:50:23 pm) Reply  |
Re: oih
This thread is like the AGS-forums' trashbin * Be vigilant, citizen! * at: 1/5/02
10:51:06 pm |
| meksilon Newbie (1/6/02 12:46:04 am) Reply |
Okay I confess
I have a confession to make about the Ron Gilbert post. See I haven't been here in the past 3 days or so because the phole line at this house here where I live was um, what's the word? out? Anyway there's a lot you can't do without a phone line, you can't use the net, you can't call your girlfriend, you can't even answer phone calls anymore. So during this time it drove me crazy, crazier then my normal insane state. But to cut a long story short, I imagined Ron made a post here and you have all been reading a figment of my imagination, despite the fact I had not imagined it until just now. =mek= --insert manhunt-- My dear Dr. Gilbert, I wanted to tell you I'm delighted that you have taken an intrest in me. I know that you alone can understand what I'M BECOMING. You alone know the people who I use to help me in these things are only elements undergoing change to fuel the radiance of what I am becoming. Just as the source of light is burning. I have a collection of your press clippings. I think they are absurd as are mine. The Tooth Fairy. What could be more inappropriate. Investigator Evilboy intrests me. Very Purposeful Looking. I hope we can correspond. my email address is aractus@msn.com After I hear back from you, I might send you something wet. Avid Fan Edited by: meksilon at: 1/5/02 11:49:48 pm |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (1/6/02 4:52:50 am) Reply |
Re: Okay I
confess
What the hell was that!? Anyways I guess this thread is dead. It was good until it got bad so congrats to all who contributed. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Mr
Colossal Posts too much (1/6/02 9:08:38 am) Reply |
Re: Okay I
confess
...it was my post that killed it wasn't it? ------- Digital-Chris Jones Digital-Helm AGS Community White Board |
| meksilon AGS User (1/7/02 12:51:11 pm) Reply |
Re: Okay I
confess
Ahahahahahahahha I had you for a minute didn't I, you thought I was the one who made the Ron post and then the Manhunter Toilet-Paper Tooth-Fairy message suggested I was in colabaration with Mr Gilbert, you fool! Ahahahahahhahahahaha! You are medeling with forces you can't possibly comprehend. MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! By the way, who really did make the Ron post? =mek= It's allllllllllllllllllive, it's allllllllllllllllllive in the name of.... |
| Dark
Stalkey Moderator (1/9/02 9:16:43 am) Reply |
Re: Okay I
confess
2279 views, nice 
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| dgmacphee Break out the Bubbly (1/10/02 8:11:31 am) Reply |
Re: Okay I
confess
Okay... I know this post hasn't been all that active, but here's something to scintilate your tastebuds... www.eeggs.com/items/8188.html
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| M0DS
Moderator (1/13/02 9:05:42 pm) Reply  |
Re: Okay I
confess
Ta DGM! Mark "Mods" Lovegrove 
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| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/14/02 5:53:25 am) Reply |
Re: Okay I
confess
I read about that at http://www.worldofmi.com,/ but they took it as given. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| bspeers99 Unregistered User (1/14/02 7:09:41 am) Reply |
A new
discovery!
Also, I just discovered that if you talk to the wandering pirates before you learn to swordfight and ask them why they all talk like that, they say: "Pirate Lingo. It's how everyone talked back then--come on Guybrush, play along." -- even if you don't say your name. So more of the game/ride idea. |
| EvenWolf
Fountain of Knowledge (1/14/02 7:26:02 am) Reply |
Re: A new
discovery!
yeah, that tidbit is somewhere in this thread already. But....good detective work nonetheless! |
| bspeers99 Unregistered User (1/14/02 7:30:08 am) Reply |
moo
Yeah, actually, I just copied it from one of my own posts. I thought this post had gotten so long, maybe no one would notice if we just started recycling the old ones. Dagnab you, Evenwolf, you are too clever for my tricks! (this is where I melt in a fit of rage). |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/14/02 1:21:21 pm) Reply |
Re: moo
I've developed a radical new theory about the ending of monkey island 2. if you MI3 and MI4 (which wern't written by ron gilbert) then this sort of makes sense. I recently read in an interview this: "In fact, you'll see when you play that there are a lot of anachronisms, like the vending machine at Stan's used ship yard. They're there to add humor to the game of course, but they also have a secret, deeper relevance to the story -- but I'm keeping that secret for the sequel." this got me thinking about what it really means in both MI1 and MI2. If you remember, on phatt island there is a pump that controls the waterfall, and underneath was a "maintanance access" tunnel leading to the little offshore island, almost like a fairground attraction. remember that the games were inspired by "the pirates of the carribean" ride, and ron gilber always "wished I could get off and wander around, learn more about the characters, and find a way onto those pirate ships". So my line of thinking is this: all the islands in monkey island 1 and 2 are huge truman-show-like theme park attractions. this would explain why there were underground tunnels connectiong dinky island and meelee island and why guybrush ended up at the carnival at the end of monkey island 2. All big whoop was is access between the two worlds: the "real" world and the fair ground ride (remember what the voodoo lady says back on scabb island on act 1 about big whoop beiong a link to another dimension) i thought these details were just jokes until i read that interveiw, but now im not so sure... oh, and the secret of monkey island could be that it is just another part of the ride being developed but got "discovered" by lechuck and the canibals and herman et al. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| Esseb Break out the Bubbly (1/14/02 1:55:18 pm) Reply |
Re: moo
Are we supposed to be reposting our previous theories now? Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (1/15/02 12:41:16 am) Reply |
Re: moo
Sure, why the hell not? I believe that Guybrush is based on me and LeChuck is a manifestation of my evil self who is trying desperately to kill me so he can take over the world. No wait. That wasn't it... :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Esseb Break out the Bubbly (1/15/02 1:25:44 am) Reply |
Re: moo
Okay, retyping my latest theory: It's all an amusement park called monkey island, divided into zones ala. disney land. Scapp, phatt etc. Big whoop is some super duper ride in the monkey island zone which every kid wanna ride. Because it's so popular, it requires a separate ticket to ride it, hence the "big whoop" ticket when you're already in the amusement park. Guybrush and his brother is in the amusement park with their parents, and they meet their friends there and start to play. Elaine being the love interest of both lechuck and guybrush yaddiyaddiyaddi. Guybrush and his brother, who both have star roles, become so addicted that they forget they're just playing, which would explain mi2's ending where lechuck has to reveal he's really guybrush's brother... and the subsequent scene where lechucks eyes glow.... he's posessed by his fantasy character. The fantasy still lives on, but guybrush's currently not playing along with it's terms. The portal between the real and the fantasy world is in their minds. Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| meksilon AGS User (1/16/02 1:59:36 pm) Reply |
*bark*
Maybe if we ask Ron nicely? |
| Dark
Stalkey Moderator (1/16/02 7:28:40 pm) Reply  |
Re: *bark*
He came and went... and didn't actually explain anything at all... If it was him, and not someone pulling our legs...
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| Las
Naranjas Moderator (1/17/02 1:01:15 am) Reply |
Re: *bark*
You're just trying to keep this alive as a vanity thread stalkey. I remember that Motive once made a post about him being older than Layabout, the latter then tried to keep it alive for ages. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis |
| meksilon AGS User (1/18/02 1:39:38 pm) Reply |
boo
And YOU'RE just trying to keep it alive by complaining about people keeping it alive LAS. =mek= |
| Andail
Expert (1/18/02 3:53:24 pm) Reply |
Re: boo
And I'm just trying to keep it alive because I prefer longer threads than short ones. In that way, less threads fall into oblivion. I could say something clever about MI as well. Ahem...all right: "In no other game has a spitting-contest been so nicely featured." * Be vigilant, citizen! * |
| Kairus Expert (2/16/02 4:03:16 am) Reply |
Re: boo
Well, I think it's time to resurrect this post again. Did anyone contact Ron Gilbert at last? Will he give us his own plot for the ending of MI? Will he let us make the game independently from Lucasarts and their copyrighted crap? If so, which I don't think so, count me in!!!
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| Rodekill77 Moderator (2/16/02 5:28:28 am) Reply |
Re: boo
He can't just "let" us. Lucasarts owns Monkey Island, not Ron Gilbert, unfortunately.
News Flash! BOOM!  |
| esper41 Unregistered User (2/16/02 2:38:58 pm) Reply |
Re: boo
Are you saying that it's unfortunate that Lucasarts don't own Ron Gilbert? |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (2/16/02 5:21:40 pm) Reply |
Re: boo
Yes I am. Sigh.
News Flash! BOOM! |
| Kairus Expert (2/17/02 2:41:59 am) Reply |
Re: boo
Can't he just tell us what his idea to end the game is and we'll just develop it in a game as good as we can and write a notice at the beginning 'This is a fan game, please don't sue us'??? Or is he planning somehow to still MI rights back and start making money out of it again? |
| Mr
Colossal Break out the Bubbly (2/17/02 11:30:15 pm) Reply |
Re: boo
kairus why don't you just write him an email i'm sure he's moved on to bigger and better things and doesn't think about the actual ending to MI2 anymore and i'm sure he will tell you that he doesn't want to give you his idea but why don't you just email him and then you can find out for sure eric
Digital-Chris Jones Digital-Helm AGS Community White Board |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (2/23/02 11:01:24 am) Reply  |
Re: boo
Oh well. I think it was a trilogy, and that it had a salute to Star Wars in the fact that the second one had the antagonists as the victor (with the relative thing), and it would be resolved in the unmade third game. The kid/themepark thing was a curse blah blah blah. Anyhow it's a much of a muchness. Small things for small minds.  Or I could make a radical theory like this. Monkey Island is a term for the roof of the bridge among cargo ships in south east asia. (true) Therefore G and LC are actually shipmates delivering coal to thailand when they go mad. Hey, one peice of evidence, and I can say what I damn well like. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis Novo Mestro- It's like German Expressionist Cinema, except with no Germans, or Cinema. http://www.tbns.net/lasnaranjas/novo.zip |
| Ben
Fountain of Knowledge (2/23/02 2:17:43 pm) Reply  |
Re: boo
That's actually the best theory I've heard
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monkeyspank2
 Fountain of Knowledge (2/24/02 6:51:03 pm) Reply  |
Re: boo
as far as I know that many kids playing theory seems like the best one... Maybe Guybrush's brother Chucky just got tired of it because Elaine didn't like him than he said: "This game sucks! I'm not playing anymore! I'll hit you all really really hard!" Then all the other kids became affraid of him. The glowing eyes bit - me and my brother used to play cowboys a lot, than he'd preten he's a train and try to run me over and really mess me up! He still jokes around sometimes and says "choo-choo" than hits me really hard.. afterwards we both laugh.. but still that glowing eyes bit was just a "you'll get some more bruises, bro!" threat... |
| M0DS
Moderator (2/24/02 8:06:18 pm) Reply  |
Re: oih
Even though i'm 3 pages late, I don't think Ron would use the words "kinda" nor do I think he'd browse the rest of the AGS site. But still. Mods Mark "Mods" Lovegrove
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Snake
Eggz  Posts too much (2/24/02 8:27:26 pm) Reply  |
Re: oih
I take it that nobody cares about the MI game for PlayStation2 since it hasn't been mentioned yet. Couldn't that be the new third in the trilogy? --Snake ....................................................................
at: 2/24/02 8:04:11 pm |
| Esseb Fountain of Knowledge (2/24/02 9:49:21 pm) Reply |
Re: oih
Er, that is just the ps2 port of mi4... which we have all agreed is crap and shouldn't be counted several times over in this thread. Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| Snake
Eggz Posts too much (2/24/02 10:07:08 pm) Reply |
Re: oih
lol --Snake ....................................................................
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| Esseb Fountain of Knowledge (2/24/02 10:15:25 pm) Reply |
Re: oih
For the record: mi4 is crap. The ps2 port is probably good as a port, but the game is still crap. Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| bspeersisajerk Unregistered User (2/25/02 4:36:11 am) Reply |
extending the post for
no good reason.
Well, I just discovered that if you talk to the wandering pirates before you learn to swordfight and ask them why they all talk like that, they say: "Pirate Lingo. It's how everyone talked back then--come on Guybrush, play along." -- even if you don't say your name. So more of the game/ride idea. |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (2/25/02 7:16:11 am) Reply |
Re: extending the post
for no good reason.
That has been mentioned. Take it just as a joke in the context that it's a fictional game made for modern people. That, like the rest, is probably just a joke. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis Novo Mestro- It's like German Expressionist Cinema, except with no Germans, or Cinema. http://www.tbns.net/lasnaranjas/novo.zip |
| monkeyspank2
Fountain of Knowledge (2/25/02 4:32:46 pm) Reply |
Re: extending the post
for no good reason.
I agree with oranges... |
| EvenWolf
Break out the Bubbly (2/25/02 4:49:34 pm) Reply |
Re: extending the post
for no good reason.
I don't but seeing how this thread keeps going in complete circles, it's kinda pintless to keep arguing
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| Snake
Eggz Posts too much (2/25/02 7:18:07 pm) Reply |
Re: extending the post
for no good reason.
Even: You should somehow edit your face into the MacGyver pic ..just thought of that. --Snake ....................................................................
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| M0DS
Moderator (2/25/02 7:33:10 pm) Reply |
Re: extending the post
for no good reason.
Hey! Mark "Mods" Lovegrove
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| Esseb Fountain of Knowledge (2/25/02 8:07:37 pm) Reply |
Re: extending the post
for no good reason.
Just wait till perpetrator v.2 is released .
Gee, I hope I spelled that right |
| myhrik Unregistered User (3/13/02 3:45:34 pm) Reply |
Let's get back on
topic
Phew. I just read through these 18 pages of this (at times) VERY interesting discussion... We can't stop here!! We must contact Ron Gilbert and let him read this, as long as it wasn't really him who posted earlier already... But it wasn't really, was it? :P Hmm... I wish we could force LucasArts to sell the MI rights to Ron so he could create the REAL MI3... I sense the most ingenious and downright brilliant trilogy of all time would be realised if Ron made his MI3. If some of these theories are really true... WOW!! |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (3/14/02 10:31:47 am) Reply  |
Re: Let's get back on
topic
Wait, i've got a better idea. A drive through bottle shop! [what? they actually have them? but that's most idiotic thing you could do!] "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis Novo Mestro- It's like German Expressionist Cinema, except with no Germans, or Cinema. http://www.tbns.net/lasnaranjas/novo.zip |
| Shylock Expert (3/24/02 2:22:28 am) Reply |
Links
Just in case anybody's still interested in this, I just came across an irc chat Ron Gilbert did with a fansite. I think it's been mentioned in this thread already, but not linked to: www.scummbar.com/resources/features/ronirc/ Somebody suggests that Guybrush is a kid who's fallen asleep on Pirates of the Caribbean and is dreaming of pirates, to which Ron replies: 'Cold'. And here's another Ron Gilbert link I dredged up... members.lycos.co.uk/dpknowles/interviewsa.htm |
| Sylpher Expert (3/24/02 7:36:46 am) Reply | Edit |
Re: Links
Wow ron is a hella funny guy...he almost seems like one of us with the improper spelling and good ole fashioned humor. he seems really intent that the secret is really stupid. or at least simple...generally it is the simple things that people look right past. So that tells us that these big elborate ideas we have had on the secret are probobly incorrect. maybe try walking around MI and paying attention to the more simple suttle things... GCT: Learn to enjoy creating your game, rather then just working on it to finish. |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (3/25/02 10:11:58 am) Reply |
Re: Links
Heh, he never had a secret. It made a good title though. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis Novo Mestro- It's like German Expressionist Cinema, except with no Germans, or Cinema. http://www.tbns.net/lasnaranjas/novo.zip |
| Sylpher Expert (3/25/02 10:15:42 am) Reply | Edit |
Re: Links
you think? it is very possible...sorta similar to people putting "based on a true story" when it really isn't...just makes the story seem that much better cause it sorta really did happen... and if so I think it was a hella good idea...considering we are still discussing it to this day
GCT: Learn to enjoy creating your game, rather then just working on it to finish. |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (3/25/02 10:19:15 am) Reply |
Re: Links
Yep. Actually having a secret would only be a letdown. Like having a question for life, the universe and everything in the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy. Notice how utterly perifiral to the plot the secret was in both the first to games. It exists as a concept, not an important plot element. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis Novo Mestro- It's like German Expressionist Cinema, except with no Germans, or Cinema. http://www.tbns.net/lasnaranjas/novo.zip |
| Sylpher Expert (3/25/02 10:23:30 am) Reply | Edit |
Re: Links
I still think there has to be something going on in the background...just for the simple fact of the ending in MI2...had that not happend I would have been perfectly happy with beliveng it just takes place in a fantasy world like most other adventure games. but that ending was to out there for Ron to have Nothing going on in the BG. GCT: Learn to enjoy creating your game, rather then just working on it to finish. |
| Dark
Stalkey Moderator (3/25/02 12:58:59 pm) Reply |
Re: Links
I still stick my my original theory, all the islands you visit are just part of a huge, role playing ride, and Guybrush is not a kid, but is just an unwitting punter who got lost when he was a kid and believes that it is reality... dum de dum... -------------- |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (3/26/02 5:49:29 am) Reply |
Re: Links
Lets get all ontological then. I don't know, I still think the ending of MI2 was pretty straight forward. But I handled RLBAT fine as well. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis Novo Mestro- It's like German Expressionist Cinema, except with no Germans, or Cinema. http://www.tbns.net/lasnaranjas/novo.zip |
| Dark
Stalkey Dispenser of Justice (5/4/02 4:40:28 pm) Reply  |
Re: Links
Whee, i thought we'd lost this forever... please, i have to keep this post alive Not that i have an obsession with MI2 or anything... ... *twitchy eye* -------------- |
| Magintz Break out the Bubbly (5/4/02 4:50:53 pm) Reply  |
Re: Links
monkey island 2 is the best in the whole series, the plot is great the jokes are monkeyrific and the puzzles are mind boggling. The one thing it lacks is insult sword fighting. poobungies
"The strong shall find a way to survive and the weak shall perish!" - Vegeta |
| Nostradamus Break out the Bubbly (5/4/02 6:22:24 pm) Reply  |
Re: Links
I have to read this thread again sometime. Although it would take about 2 hours. The options we suggested are ming exploding. I have to save it on my hard drive. But after all this and after playing all 4 games again I came into conclusion that either there is no secret and every game is for itself or that Guybrush is indeed in a huge & amazing amusement park, which EMI helped to understand. That is if you recognize EMI as an inevitable part of the series (I know not everybody does). Nostradamus' FUTURE OF RON Prediction of the week: The Bum |
| Las
Naranjas Dispenser of Justice (5/5/02 12:01:38 am) Reply |
Re: Links
I think it's largely accepted that the secret (if there is one) is known only to Ron, hence CMI and EMI are disregarded as to providing clues to the original intent. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis
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| Mr
McMooo Knows their stuff (5/30/02 8:30:58 pm) Reply  |
Re: Links
we can't let the MI thread die can we??? :*( |
| Greek
Guy Unregistered User (5/30/02 8:43:09 pm) Reply |
Nope
We sure can't. I read 'most' of this for the first time just now, so it's a good job it was saved. I would make a valid input, but everyone else has pretty much said it. Chances of us resolving this are about as high as a lasting peace in the middle East and the complete disarmament of Irish militant groups. |
| Mitar
the yugoslavian soviet wannabe Knows their stuff (5/31/02 3:33:21 am) Reply  |
What Ron intended it
to be about is pretty simple actually
It's basically about 2 brothers until CMI and EMI come along and screw up the whole entire storyline to HELL!!! I've been to loads of countries and heard loads of things and that is the thing that i have always heard when i ask people this question. And absolutely nobody except Ron himself can convince me otherwise. |
| Snake
Eggz Break out the Bubbly (5/31/02 5:17:19 am) Reply |
Re: What Ron intended
it to be about is pretty simple actual
Can we sticky-note it? --Snake ....................................................................
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jannar85
 Break out the Bubbly (5/31/02 11:04:59 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Quote: EvenWolf: So that's why you dropped out? I didn't need the sprites for that. I needed them for The Secret of Monkey Island DEMO REMAKE Well...are you still in? You'll do the characters all right Sincerely at:
5/31/02 11:19:02 am |
Shylock
 Expert (5/31/02 3:06:38 pm) Reply  |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Doesn't EZboard wipe posts that have been around for a certain amount of time, even if the thread they're in keeps being revived? Hmm... Marzipan! |
| Dark
Stalkey Dispenser of Justice (6/4/02 1:10:58 pm) Reply  |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Has anyone read Tunnel Under The World by Frederik Pohl, as i feel it has relevence to the tunnels behind the waterfall on Phatt Island and the tunnels under Dinky... Oh, did anyone else notice that governor phatt's theme gets played at the end just after lechucks theme? small but possibly siginificant... -------------- |
| Magintz on
another pc Unregistered User (6/4/02 1:46:16 pm) Reply |
fgdfghfdh
someone needs to read this WHOLE thread over again and create a new, summarized, "quoted" summary or what everyone has said. n e ways...... longest post ever! |
| Greek
Guy Unregistered User (6/4/02 11:48:43 pm) Reply |
Nope
But giving those editorial powers to one person is dangerous, they might change the context of what was said, by giving quotations that back up what they believe. This would leave someone thinking bad things about the secret of monkey island. If the alternative is to read through all of that again, then I say do it, lie to us baby!
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| Relight Fountain of Knowledge (6/4/02 11:58:23 pm) Reply  |
Re: Nope
monkeys! (i needed a thread to test my signature) visit my website under development, weekly updates, kudos to sylpher |
| Sutebi
Expert (6/5/02 4:34:13 am) Reply |
Re: Nope
I'm off from school, perhaps I'll do it some day. Perhaps not, though. ----------------------------------- |
| Snake
Eggz Break out the Bubbly (6/5/02 6:11:06 am) Reply |
Re: Nope
Sticky-note-it... --Snake ....................................................................
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| Paladin256 Unregistered User (6/10/02 8:44:53 pm) Reply |
TMs
Someone may have said it earlier, but the whole TM thing everywhere in Monkey Island is a throwback to the Indiana Jones games where LucasFilm/Arts put TMs on EVERYTHING to include "Nazi's TM" etc etc ad nauseum. Play Last Crusade and Fate of Atlantis again, you'll see...THERE ARE TM's EVERYWHERE!!! |
| Dark
Stalkey Dispenser of Justice (6/10/02 9:19:07 pm) Reply |
Re: TMs
Good point -------------- |
| Trapezoid Expert (6/10/02 9:36:44 pm) Reply |
Re: TMs
I'm not gonna bother reading anything in this thread, I just wanna say that it's TOO BIG! GEEZ! |
| TheDMonkey Getting Started (6/10/02 10:46:13 pm) Reply |
Re: TMs
I just finished reading this post, so I'm going to post my opinions. A. ™'s after stuff. As said a couple of posts earlier, ™'s are all through the Indiana Jones games, so it could be a joke. B. Vending machines, Elvis plates, the "Pirate Lingo" quote, etc. It's there for comedy. C. The Big Whoop Carnival The product of an evil curse put on Guybrush by LeChuck D. The Secret of Monkey Island I think it changes with each game. MI1: LeChuck's HQ MI2: Big Whoop etc. The Drunken Monkey has spoken. |
| Dark
Stalkey Dispenser of Justice (6/10/02 11:04:33 pm) Reply |
Re: TMs
I recently read in an interview this: "In fact, you'll see when you play that there are a lot of anachronisms, like the vending machine at Stan's used ship yard. They're there to add humor to the game of course, but they also have a secret, deeper relevance to the story -- but I'm keeping that secret for the sequel." Must i keep repeating this damn quote?
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| TheDMonkey Getting Started (6/10/02 11:19:28 pm) Reply |
Re: TMs
I think he could just be saying it as a joke or somethin'. The Drunken Monkey has spoken. |
| EvenWolf
Fountain of Knowledge (6/11/02 12:22:54 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
DMonkey, he could also be saying it to secretly transmit codes to terrorists in Zaire. He could be saying it because he's ashamed of the size of his manhood. He could be saying it for any number of reasons -but I think the most likely is that Yes, he did have something deeper in mind. Now when playing the game Monkey Island, we may think nothing of such modern devices such as the Grog machine. "Oh, that's simply a comedy theme- to add objects that pirates wouldn't actually have access to. Neat." However, in science fiction class I was taught that "in a story, if the author illustrates a gun mounted on the wall in his description of a room, most likely that gun will be used sometime throughout the tale." Now imagine all the things out of place in Monkey Island combined, and transform them into one big imaginary gun. Don't you think at some point in Ron's version of monkey island, Guybrush was going to get shot? Edited by: EvenWolf
at: 6/11/02 12:24:13 am |
| Punch Expert (6/11/02 12:19:08 pm) Reply  |
Re: TMs
That's a very cool metaphore you've got going there Even. That's all I have to say. - Punch Timor Mortis Conturbat Me |
| Dark
Stalkey Dispenser of Justice (6/11/02 6:42:42 pm) Reply |
Re: TMs
Right, i'm going to say this all for the very last time... this will be my final post on this subject (probably)... Just like everyone else here, I was completely confused by the ending of Monkey Island 2, but i was happy with the explination given in Monkey 3 that tied up all the loose ends (big ass dialog with LeChuck that i'm sure everyone else skipped out). I was still perfectly happy until i read the interview with Ron Gilbert, where i saw this quote: "In fact, you'll see when you play that there are a lot of anachronisms, like the vending machine at Stan's used ship yard. They're there to add humor to the game of course, but they also have a secret, deeper relevance to the story -- but I'm keeping that secret for the sequel." This meant that everything we'd been told in Monkey Island 3 was a lie. A lie i tell you! This secret, deeper relevance was supposedly revealed in Monkey 2... we'll i must have missed it then. I doubted that it HAD actually been revealed, but there would be several big clues in the game as to what it was. With this in mind, I began to search through MI2 again to see if i could find any more of these out of place items and locations, and came up with the original 'evilboy' post (back when i was not a regular on these forums). Anyway, with the extra info we've included from this thread, i will sum up my ideas here: First off, even though i have based these ideas on the above quote, there are still alot of jokes in the two games that have nothing to do with this secret deeper meaning to the story. The trick is to distinguish between the two. Remember that, as it is important. 1) The 'Secret' of Monkey Island. OK, i have thought long and hard about this, and I believe that infact there is NO secret to Monkey Island. This so called Secret is just a myth, a red-herring, and a very very good joke... the fact that Guybrush has gone to rescue Elaine from Monkey Island and not to discover it's secret... infact, it never appears in the game after you find out that LeChuck went off to find it to impress Elaine, makes me believe it's just one of the many jokes that the development team came up with. It's a farce, and there isn;t any solid evidence to the contrary (we're ignoring the lies of MI3 and MI4 here) Oh yeah, as for those lava caves, was I the only one to spot that there is a Volcano on Monkey Island? It seems so. 2) Big Whoop, The MI2 Ending, and that 'secret, deeper relevance'. This is really what I have been concentrating on all along. Exhibit A is a quote from an interview with Ron Gilbert: "In fact, you'll see when you play that there are a lot of anachronisms, like the vending machine at Stan's used ship yard. They're there to add humor to the game of course, but they also have a secret, deeper relevance to the story -- but I'm keeping that secret for the sequel." Incase you missed that here it is again: "In fact, you'll see when you play that there are a lot of anachronisms, like the vending machine at Stan's used ship yard. They're there to add humor to the game of course, but they also have a secret, deeper relevance to the story -- but I'm keeping that secret for the sequel." Exhibit B: The Monkey Island games were inspired by the Pirates of the Carribean ride at Disney Land. So then, from the sequal we discover this: Voodoo is used a lot in the game. Now, i'm crap at geography from the other side of the world, but is Haiti, the island that's infamous for it's Voodoo noodlings, part of the Carribean? Secondly, we find out from the Voodoo Lady that Big Whoop is not just a treasure, but a gateway to another dimension. Fair enough. Thirdly, and i feel that this is one of the biggest clues that Ron has tantalisingly waggled around infront of our faces, is the pump and underground tunnel connecting Phatt Island to the little island off it's cost. Even Guybrush says "Whats this doing in a pirate game?". I'm sure everyone looked over this little line when playing through the game, but it's another piece of the puzzle in uncovering the 'deeper, secret relevance to the story'. Booty Island, according to Captain Dread, holds the non-stop all year around Mardi Gras festival. It even has a damn gift shop and costume shop! Oh yes, and in Phatt Islands Library, there is a book called 'E-Ticket', filed under Fiction. No aurthor, and Guybrush doesn't say anything special about it when you rent it out. Now to get to the ending: We end up in some tunnels, being chased around by LeChuck, much like the ones we saw earlier on Phatt Island. Now, before we go any further i'd like to reinstate what i said earlier. Even though i have based these ideas on the above quote, there are still alot of jokes in the two games that have nothing to do with this secret deeper meaning to the story. The trick is to distinguish between the two. One example of this i feel is the whole 'I am your brother Guybrush!11!1' thing spouted by LeChuck. This i'm afraid my friends is just a parody of the famous Star Wars scene, and you wont convince me otherwise. LeChuck is NOT Guybrush's brother. I don't buy any of that crap... it's just not possible with the previous story, and the scene where Guybrush takes of LeChuck's 'mask' doesn't make any sense for Chuckie to be a real person (his leg's on the other side of the room and he has green blood... dum de dum). It gets a bit bizzare here after, and i think things really do begin to become sketchy as far as my ideas go. Guybrush is zapped by LeChucks special voodoo doll, but it appears only to the next room. Did anyone think that maybe, just maybe, that although Guybrush hasn't been sent to this 'dimension of pain' the effects of the doll have messed with his head and he beings to hallucinate certain things as part of the spell of the voodoo doll? What about this missing parent melarchy? They only appear in his unconsious dream on Booty Island, and again under the influence of LeChuck's voodoo doll as skeletons under a sign saying 'Missing Parents!' As for the whole 'Take of my mask' thing after defeating LeChuck? well, it's obviously a continuation of the Star Wars parody, but also it seems that LeChuck's voodoo doll spell has completely taken over Guybrush, and he's hallucinating that LeChuck is his brother, that he is a child again with his parents in a theme park. But it doesn't end there. Now for the final two important things: 1) the lift that leads on to Meelee Island and 2) The final words spoken by Elaine. Remember those? If not, here they are, quoted to the letter: "I wonder what's keeping Guybrush? I hope Lechuck hasn't cast some horrible SPELL over him or anything." The screen fades out, but the text stays there for a few moments after to make sure that the player gets the message. Now, i'm not a writer either, but i do think that the writers of MI2 are trying to make a point here: LeChuck has put Guybrush under a spell! They couldn't have made it anymore obvious if they'd dressed it in spandex and dangled it off a bridge. So then, add all of these points, theory's and ideas up and you get this, the conclusion: Guybrush's world is a living, breathing, life-sized tourist attraction. Meelee and Booty are the main island attractions (with all the TM signs on booty being a joke and doubling up as part of this secret deeper relevance), with Booty being the Mardi Gras theme'd island with gift shops and costume shops and spitting contests and whatnot... just various island attractions. The other pirates there are mearly actors and people payed to act as if this mock-pirate-carribean is actually the real world, along with others who may have been lost as childern or whatever and really do believe that it's the real world, and the actors and shop assistants in costume just think that these guys are doing their job. Scabb island is populated by these unwitting people that belive that it's the real world and act out their pirate roles with complete authenticity. Now, Guybrush's parents and brother make an apperance in MI2 in his dreams and hallucinations, so originally he ran away from his parents or got separated, and grew up in this crazy pirate world beliveing it to be real. The tree in Booty Island suggests that there was once a settlement up there, which is now abandoned. Was this set up by people who thought the place was not a tourist attraction but the real world? Or maybe even the reminants of a primitive civilisation? Clues to the fact that the islands are not real islands at all are the maintainance tunnels under Phatt Island, and under Dinky Island. These tunnels connect Phatt to it's costal island, and Dinky to Meelee to... the real world! (as well as being storage and a medical station). As for the voodoo used by LeChuck and such, well, it IS only a game so a few extra elements can be thrown in for good measure to add spice to the story The Voodoo Lady tells Guybrush that Big Whoop is a gateway to another dimension. When Guybrush gets to find the treasure of Big Whoop it is indeed a ticket to another dimension: A disney-land-esque pass into the Carribean ride. This pass was dropped by one of the tourists on the ride, and taken by Marley's crew and buried because they couldn;'t work out what it was, or they did have an idea so buried it above the tunnels on Dinky leading to the 'real world' and did their piratey buisness with it so whoever figured it out would be smart enough to comprehend that their world is just a huge tourist attraction. Extra crazyness is added by the hallucinations induced by LeChuck's voodoo doll (so Guybrush is under one of LeChuck's spells at the end of the game) which clouds up the clues that the world of MI1 and MI2 is really a big theme park ride. I'm sure i've missed something out but after all that writing i don't want to go back and check... please, take this points into concideration and play the two games again, it makes sense, i swear. A couple of other things, there's a Martini Maker and Distiller on Dinky Island (like Stans Vending Machine)... oh, and LeChuck's removed leg from the voodoo doll has both feet on instead of one... and i doubt the creators of this professional game would have made a graphical glitch if not done on purpuse. And as for the age of Guybrush that was the cause of confusion earlier, he's 19, as when applying for ID in Phatt Island Library one of the choices if (direct quote again) "Ninet --uh--, twenty-one"... tra la la Oh yes, i am clinically insane before you ask
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| Dark
Stalkey Dispenser of Justice (6/11/02 6:47:49 pm) Reply |
Re: TMs
Oh yeah, to round it off i'll quote what Evenwolf said a post above incase you missed it: However, in science fiction class I was taught that "in a story, if the author illustrates a gun mounted on the wall in his description of a room, most likely that gun will be used sometime throughout the tale." -------------- |
| Helm21
Art Direction (6/12/02 1:13:41 am) Reply  |
Re: TMs
Are you clinically insane? Visit the gac homepage: http://www.gac.gamespage.com and be complete.
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| nenomonkey Posts too much (6/12/02 2:29:30 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
I don't think that there's any deeper meaning to the Secret of Monkey Island. For me it's just a game. But I will concede that that trying to find a deeper meaning is pretty interesting, as have been some of your theories. Edited by: nenomonkey at: 6/12/02 2:17:27 pm |
| Squinky6 Expert (6/12/02 7:02:22 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
I also think that the machines and stuff were just put there to be funny....Sorry..
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| EvenWolf
Fountain of Knowledge (6/12/02 7:29:39 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
When first posting to this thread I was really enthusiastic, but right now I'm kind of astounded that we actually think this much about a game made over ten years ago. I think Ron Gilbert would chuckle about our almost obsessive compulsive tendencies towards MI. And nenomonkey lighten up, all posts have been negative or defensive lately. Those other posts are ok, but you gotta remember that one way or another this specific thread will be up forever (FOREVER!!1!!!1!!). Oh, yeah- and while playing MI2 tonite I happened across an alter ending. "Not usually one to be rude, but..." -Layabout |
| Las
Naranjas Dispenser of Justice (6/12/02 7:36:50 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
The one with the flying moose? We've all found that one. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis
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| Squinky6 Expert (6/12/02 8:07:05 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
Flying moose?
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| EvenWolf
Fountain of Knowledge (6/12/02 8:08:56 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
No, it was the one where the indian carried guybrush on his shoulders to the secret ghostdance in the Sierra Nevadas. Man, those guys play some killer drumbeats! "Not usually one to be rude, but..." -Layabout |
| Shylock
Expert (6/12/02 8:35:55 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
Ron Gilbert spent an IRC interview with some Monkey Island fansite or other telling everyone who suggested theories how far off the actual secret they were. I think it was the interview where he said he was afraid everybody would think the secret was stupid. There doesn't seem any reason why he would be pretending there is a secret if there isn't one, so I assume that it exists. Hmm... Marzipan! |
Gilbert
Cheung  Moderator (6/12/02 8:45:39 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
The secret is: THERE'S NEVER A SECRET OF MONKEY ISLANDS!1! RON GILBERT HAD FOOLED YOU ALL!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!111!!1!!!! You'll know it... T0M0RR0W!1! Sorry was just kidding.
Regards, |
| nenomonkey Posts too much (6/12/02 2:15:19 pm) Reply |
Re: TMs
I don't mean to be negative. I was just trying to state my point of view, however it apparently wasn't pereceived the way I had intended. |
| Las
Naranjas Dispenser of Justice (6/13/02 12:03:27 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
It's a beautiful forum for sophistries "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis
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| Gilbert
Cheung Moderator (6/13/02 2:28:33 am) Reply |
Re: TMs
No, to be serious, I don't think there're any real big secrets in the game, it's just a game, not an academic philosophical article. I'm quite suprised that this thread became one of the largest one, and I haven't really dare to read 5% of its contents. Regards, |
| Paladin256 Unregistered User (7/2/02 2:58:29 am) Reply |
Another Idea
Has anyone thought about how LeChuck says at the end of MI 2 that the voodoo doll will send Guybrush to another dimension, one of infinite pain? Perhaps it wasnt as unsuccessful as LeChuck thought? Maybe the voodoo doll sent him to the "alternate" world? After all, Guybrush couldnt get the ticket that says "E" on it until after LeChuck banishes him the first time, at that point he would have been there already. I guess I'll admit that I havent fully explored this option, but its worth a look. I just thought of it when I was playing MI 2 today. Might as well keep this post going anyway hahaha. |
| Las
Naranjas Custom title available (7/2/02 6:18:52 am) Reply |
Re: Another
Idea
Why did Lechuck start making the doll, then try to kill Guybrush with the acid? That could be just plot holes because it's a kid's imagination but... It could just be a plot hole. it is a kid's game in essense. "You must really like the words PROLETARIAT and FOOTY..."--Kyriakos Hasapis " I was telling you I have 33 million Gods... and they're ALL insulted"-OTG
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