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| evilboy Unregistered User (9/8/01 1:02:36 pm) Reply |
the secret of monkey
island
I've developed a radical new theory about the ending of monkey island 2. if you MI3 and MI4 (which wern't written by ron gilbert) then this sort of makes sense. I recently read in an interview this: "In fact, you'll see when you play that there are a lot of anachronisms, like the vending machine at Stan's used ship yard. They're there to add humor to the game of course, but they also have a secret, deeper relevance to the story -- but I'm keeping that secret for the sequel." this got me thinking about what it really means in both MI1 and MI2. If you remember, on phatt island there is a pump that controls the waterfall, and underneath was a "maintanance access" tunnel leading to the little offshore island, almost like a fairground attraction. remember that the games were inspired by "the pirates of the carribean" ride, and ron gilber always "wished I could get off and wander around, learn more about the characters, and find a way onto those pirate ships". So my line of thinking is this: all the islands in monkey island 1 and 2 are huge truman-show-like theme park attractions. this would explain why there were underground tunnels connectiong dinky island and meelee island and why guybrush ended up at the carnival at the end of monkey island 2. All big whoop was is access between the two worlds: the "real" world and the fair ground ride (remember what the voodoo lady says back on scabb island on act 1 about big whoop beiong a link to another dimension) i thought these details were just jokes until i read that interveiw, but now im not so sure... oh, and the secret of monkey island could be that it is just another part of the ride being developed but got "discovered" by lechuck and the canibals and herman et al. anyways...... |
| Evilboy Unregistered User (9/8/01 1:04:27 pm) Reply |
*note*
*note* this only works if you ignore how the ending of MI2 was explained by the writers of CMI, who didn;t have a clue what it ment either... |
EvenWolf
 Expert (9/8/01 1:46:24 pm) Reply  |
Re: *note*
that's a nice interpretation. That would really have freaked me out tho, lol. *thinks* had RonG really not only based the series on the pirates on the ride, but actually based the whole thing on the ride...could be. But there was always that theory that " i want to be a pirate" was just a little boy's imagination (guybrush) as he and his brother ran thru an amusement park (explaining why he and lechuck were turned back into kids as reality set back in). I like the Phatt island tunnel theory "whats this tunnel doing in a pirate game?" but there are still some loose ends like "why is guybrush an adult if its not his imagination?" anyways, that's a really thought provoking idea, and i thank you for it "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/8/01 1:52:06 pm) Reply |
Re: *note*
yeah, and this theory could tie up why the same scene was used with both Booty Island and Big Whoop fair grounds...altho i'm not quite sure what it means if its not little guybrush's imagination afterall. Hmm, damn now I won't be able to sleep...and i'm going to have to play MI2 over again, hehe. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Dark
Stalkey AGS User (9/8/01 2:59:03 pm) Reply |
*note*
Ill suppose we'll never know untill ron decideds to spill the beans 
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| EvenWolf
Expert (9/8/01 8:37:16 pm) Reply |
Re: *note*
well we can still ponder "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/8/01 11:54:55 pm) Reply |
kjnoop
Hmmm. So when Guybrush first enters the lookout at the beginning of MI1 and says "I want to be a pirate", what he's saying is that he entered the ride as a kid who well, wanted to be a pirate. That makes a sick amount of sense. The only thing of course, would be kid Lechucks evil lighting bolt eyes. Unless... LeChuck is a character from the "ride" who for some reason actually developed a hatred for guybrush and follows him out of the ride and into the real world. Wow. That would have been one hell of an MI3. |
Las
Naranjas  Moderator (9/9/01 1:08:41 am) Reply  |
Re: kjnoop
Ron said that he wouldn't tell us because we'd all say "Geez, that was dumb" So it was probably a cop out of some form. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
Helm21
 Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 1:45:46 am) Reply  |
Re: kjnoop
WOW!Then all the distorted anti-historical pirate thing presented in MI1 is Guybrushes imagination? That would work.that would really work! -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/9/01 1:52:27 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
I love this theory, it has opened my mind to all that is monkey...every joke can now have a new meaning. Man, im about to tear my face off over this. Oh and bythe way evil, tell us if we are misinterpreting you somehow "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 1:58:09 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Yeah!this actually gives ESSENCE to MI2! Comedy turns into psychological mind-@#%$! -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/9/01 2:39:37 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
I'm going to replay MI2 now, and I'll be analyzing the game from this perspective to see what works/not works because I was so little at the time....I'm wondering now if maybe its not just Guybrush's imagination, but maybe some alter-ego or subconscious in his piratey head, hehe...which might explain why a vending machine or box of kids cereal slips in every once and a while. Anyways, I'll be taking alot of reports, and guys if anyones really excited about this, lets keep it low profile until we can establish some rock hard evidence. Again, damn good work Evilboy. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
sylfer
 Posts too much (9/9/01 3:09:35 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Pirates of the caribean eh? That ride has a wierd history...Micheal Jackson supposedly liked the ride so much he had it built in his basement... Now it is the framework for Mi...(theory) I think im gonna hafta take a trip to disney land! --- EDIT! --- After playing through monkey island (To the point were elaine gets kidnapped) Somethings I've noticed, or questions I have. I may be reading into your theory a little to much but take the following as you will. (Note: I have never beaten Mi, or Mi2...in fact this is the farthest I have ever gotten in the game...so my points might be wacky) 1.) Your prize for beating The swordsman is a T-Shirt, your prize for the Treasure hunt...a T-shirt. Whats the general prize at an amusment park? A t-shirt...or some other cheesy thing, like a poster...over sized stuffed animal...so on. 2.) Melee Island allways has the Trademark (Small TM) Symbol by it...I dont know why (You Mi experts might now) But A bit of theory could say the it is trademark to the people who run the amusement park...Unless somebody knows why the obsessive use of Trademark symbols. 3.) Not exactly a point but something I dont really understood, The intro to Secret of monkey island...there is no background...no guiding idea...basically a guy walks from the other side of a mountain and says 'My name is guybrush threepwood, I want to be a pirate...' Nobody else finds this a bit odd for an intro...? We get no history to this character. how did he get on the island in the first place? Ill be searching for more points...add what you like (Or call me a fool and prove them wrong).... at: 9/9/01 6:38:22 am |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/9/01 7:05:28 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
thanks for helping out Syph, good point on the T shirts, that's the kinda stuff im talkin about. Yeah i always took the (tm) as a little joke but it probably does have deeper meaning. As for Guybrush's history, yeah I actually liked how guybrush was just like "OK , Im here- now make me into a pirate." But that probably does figure in somehow to him daydreaming or whatever it is. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| sylfer
Posts too much (9/9/01 7:24:44 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Happy to help...finding little things like this is what I like best...But Even where da heck did you go...im stuck talking to roger...and he isnt much of the compasionit hunk that I remember. I think the time away has changed him. |
| EvenWolf
Expert (9/9/01 9:38:08 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
hehe i stayed in there after you pinged out, then got bored , and then my sister and her damn freecell O' hell sweeped me out again! "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Nostradamus Expert (9/9/01 10:06:51 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
That's a very interesting theory... sounds really good, you're not evilboy, you're geniusboy! You found a lot of supposed evidence which makes sense.. Although the main question is if Guybrush is just a kid imagining all this... why is it so hard for his to succeed? Why does his ship crew rebel him? Why does the piece of map from Elaine's house keep flying elswehere? And why would his parents be dead and he would remove his own dad's head off his skeleton? It could be he imagined that to make it more interesting for himself, but it looks maybe too much... Let's see if we can find more evidence or anti-evidence... Maybe all this will be explained in the next sequel for MI - The Conspiracy of Monkey Island. Success and prosperity will befold AGS, thus sayeth the great Nostradamus. |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 10:43:42 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
hmm, why does he make it so hard for himself? well let me just spaurt a few random thoughts squal-style: 1.yes, first of all there must be a plot (evil dead pirates help with this sort of thing, as well as making puzzles continue even after you think youve solved them. 2.And, we haven't quite determined Guybrush's fantasy state(is it a Truman-like world with the only spectator as Guybrush? or is it a dream/fantasy/subconsciuos?) Well, if its the first of the two , we know that whoever is putting Guybrush through this wants it to be interesting-like Ed Norton's character in Truman Show)..personally this version of the theory confuses me. But if Guybrush is dreaming/ hallucinating, that doesn't necessarily mean that he controls it. I'm sure there's no need for further explanation but allow me to present an example : I have dreams everynight. I remeber fragments every time I wake up, and I have never been able to control my dreams, almost every single one of my dreams HAS conflict...and you know what? I love it. I had a dream someone pointed a shotgun at me and I was able to talk them down, I love those kinds of things, they subconsciously build character. And as far as dreams go, I find that if a person is shy(for example) in real life, he's still going to be shy in his dreams- So for Guybrush, he blunders up everything, he can't help it or control it because it's not really him but his subconscious thats deciding what happens next. Phew, can you telll I love this stuff? I can just imagine the ppl who skim these threads and say to themselves," What weirdoes..they think Ron Gilbert was a philosopher or something." oh and that reminds me, what was that philosophy on Dinky Island that Herman sybolized with colors? "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/9/01 11:06:50 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
wow, looks like i've hit gold with this one btw, i am actually evilboy, for some reason whenever i tried to log on as my proper name at work it kept bringing up a filtered page i never would have thought about the MI games in this way untill i read that interview. i was also thinking that maybe guybrush was lost at the theme park at a really small age, hence he didn't know he was in a theme park ride. it still doesn't explain the voodoo buisness though |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/9/01 11:22:22 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Guybrush and Elaine are brother and sister. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 11:50:05 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
the voodoo buisness could be the naive way children symbolise evil.Gubrush mightave seen something in the amusement park that triggered that info to sunmerge.thats easy, whats tough,are the lemonhead goodie goodie cannibals. ... -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 11:53:59 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
voodoo lady always helps him, knows everything about him. Could she in fact, be another part of him? "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 11:55:29 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
awesome dude! -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 11:56:47 am) Reply  |
Re: kjnoop
There only one thing that disproves this theory... At the end of Monkey Island 2, when Guybrush and Chuckie(LeChuckie as a kid) are walking off with their parents, Chuckie's eyes glow with a strange kind of lightning... Either a) He's possesed b) He's still really LeChuck... Keep in mind also that Elaine is still at the lagre hole you blew up, saying "Where is Guybrush? I hope LeChuck didn't cast a voodoo spell on him..." It's kinda like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey... Who knows what they were thinking... I'm sure Ron Gilbert had other plans... But I guess we'll never know...
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 11:59:54 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
just throw a large obsidian stab and some psychedelic lighting effects.That should do the trick! -=Everything I say,except from the contents of this particular post, is a lie=- |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 12:04:35 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Monkey Island 2001: A Cutthroat Odyssey...
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 12:10:36 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
ok, here we go...this ain't solid but: As for Evil chuckie, im lookin into it, but here goes for Elaine's ponderance: Ok, remember in this theory, Elain is not a physical being that Guybrush left behind, but rather a figment in his mind. Think of her as like a child's innocence as he becomes a man. She was something that he really enjoyed but at a certain time in life, he had to face "reality" and leave her and the pirate dream behind him. So, she still exists, but has been put back into Guybrush's deep subconscious, which means she could rise up again later. And since Elain only exists in Guybrush's head, she doesn't know about "reality" so she would assume that LeChuck has done something horrible. note- I realize that I'm really directing this towards the inner mind thing...which is merely my take on it so far...anyone taking this from the Truman show perspective? Someone should. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 12:26:01 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
But, if Elaine exists in Guybrushes subconscience, then what is she still doing in the jungle, standing over the hole... still dressed in all her clothing... with that scarf still on her head... Also, if she really IS a subconscience element, does that mean Guybrush had a thing for older women (in their twenties) at the age of 10??? Man, puberty is going to be STRANGE for this kid... Sure, you could give a very 'Being John Malkovich' theory here, but we'll never really know. This whole post is akin to University film professors analysing Hitchcock's films... And like Hitchcock, you can only wonder what Ronny was thinking...
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 12:28:40 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
lol, youre right we'll never know. But this is fun for me! And Elaine: in this version of theory the whole carribean exists within Guybrush's head, including Elaine and her clothing, the mind cant delete memory, it merely buries them under a thick cloudy goo, hehe. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 12:28:40 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Hey!Mayhap elaine is based on some teacher or something.Dont forget we all had crushes on teachers.Besides,GB sees himself as an adult physically in MI1,thus elane comes to complement that image.Thats easy. [image]http://www.tbns.net/helm/skydivergod.gif[/image] "For God, will Skydive to your aid" Edited by: Helm21 at: 9/9/01
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| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 12:40:04 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
But if she's buried in his subconscience, how come she's in the same place she was... Why isn't she floating around all of Guybrush's other subconscience stuff going "Guybrush!!! Guuuuybrush!!! Saaaaave meeee! i'm in yoooouuurrrrr miiiinddd!!!"
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 12:43:54 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Because we need a sequel thats why.
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 12:45:23 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
lol, hehe, hahaha. But she doesnt know shes not real, silly. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 12:50:03 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
I concur. Get Ron Gilbert on the phone!
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| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 12:52:10 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
But WE can see her and she's standing perfectly normal, and not swirlling in a blue subconscience votrex akin to the Day of The Tentacle time warp scene...
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 12:58:03 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
does that prove anything? I dont think so.
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| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/9/01 1:01:11 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
i don't think that it's all in guybrush's mind, i think it's more of a truman show type thing.... all the characters don't know that they're a theme park attraction, but think it's real. and certian accidents have lead to some of the characters finding out.... |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 1:04:52 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Then how come in the MI1 Herman Toothrot speaks to the player and Guybrush asks who he's speaking to, and can't see the player too... I'm sure being trapped in a Truman Show amusement park wouldn't be so much of a big suprise compared to a giant square with some nob player looking directly at Guybrush... Big Player is watching!!
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 1:06:36 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
ah so you think LeChuck and his crew fell upon the evidence on Monkey Island, interesting. I'll have to take this into deep consideration. Do you think that maybe, the glare in his eye means that somehow he learned how to use the Big Whoop (alternate reality)to his advantage? and if so, does his obsession with Elaine correlate? "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 1:09:31 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
No... I just think Ron Gilbert should have made a proper sequel to explain things better...
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| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/9/01 1:11:30 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
yup come on, lets send a posse round to ron's house to rough him up a bit |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/9/01 1:11:54 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
ok,ok - obviously were not going to be able to figure every single detail in..I mean, how many ppl worked on this game? Unless they were really strict, some stuff is going to slip by. This could either be a slip which has no significance.....or...well i don't know just yet. edit-- altho Herman could be an exception, he is a hermit. Maybe they flew him in as soon as they realized guybrush was sailing towards the egde of the dome....no wait. um huh? hehe, perhaps herman is like Truman's dad... "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com Edited by: EvenWolf
at: 9/9/01 1:15:06 pm |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/9/01 1:25:21 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Right and Ron Gilbert was Christof... And the Fetaicini Bros were those two annoying twins that would bug Truman in the street...
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/9/01 4:33:54 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
I have a knuclebreaker.Im in for the war posse!
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| Esseb Expert (9/9/01 5:32:30 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
Am I the only one who noticed the amusement park at the end of MI2 didn't look like a modern day amusement park? Look at their clothes. I mean, maybe they handed out piratey clothes at the entrance, but it still looks like the amusement park and the rest of the game is set in ca. the same time period. A lot of young boys wanted to be a pirate in the 1600s, why not little Guybrush. It may just be a foreshadowing of Guysbrush's adult life. Most likely they just wear pirate clothes to make the graphics fit with the rest of the game. I still think it's just little Guybrush of modern times imagening it all yet it still being true in some way. Maybe one of his ancestors was called Guybrush or some other stupid thing, or it may be what would happen to him in an alternate dimension. Bleh, I don't know. Btw, Ron Gilbert said in one of his interviews that he wished LEC would sell him the rights to MI so he could make the real MI3. Anyone have this interview? I don't remember where I read it. Gee, I hope I spelled that right. |
| Nostradamus Expert (9/9/01 6:23:55 pm) Reply  |
Re: kjnoop
Great points Evenwolf, you certainly answered my queries. Now if that's a Truman Show thing... WHO is controlling it? You'd probably say LeChuck but how can he control what everyone does like the director in the Truman Show while being at the surface "acting"? He can't, so it ain't him! So who is it? But there's a stronger prrof why it CAN'T be a Truman Show type thing - because in that scenario Guybrush can't possibly become a child! So we can throw that theory out... Nostradamus' tip of the day: the best visions of the future I see happen when I'm on the toilet! Success and prosperity will befold AGS, thus sayeth the great Nostradamus. |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/9/01 8:47:58 pm) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
i think guybrush became a child because lechuck put a spell on him.. ie: the last words in the game are: "I hope LeChuck didn't put a SPELL on him or anything" it's just made everything more confusing! |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 3:56:08 am) Reply |
Re: kjnoop
hmm, ok- I'm keeping open minded on this theory, remember....I'm trying to look at it from the world within a world, and that Guybrush somehow fell into it, so remember that most of my previous posts are on the "in guybrush's head version" and, depending on the Truman theory, can be completely wrong. ok, so the Truman theory is this: all these pirates are trapped in an alter world, whether its a big bubble or another planet...they are all ignorant of the other world (with maybe some exceptions). Somehow LeChuck fell upon the secret to the other dimension while on Monkey Island (could that tie in why he is a ghost as well- he has access to both dimensions?) and wants to use this for his evil doing. So maybe when when Guybrush enters the other world (via big whoop) LeChuck uses some voodoo....but for what? only the real MI3 can tell i suppose. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| sylfer
Posts too much (9/10/01 6:26:51 am) Reply |
the big shabang
Esseb I read the interview your talkin bout ill see if i can dig it up. Allright having finally seeing the end of Mi2 ill give my hole point of view on all of this. Through-out both games there are very subtle hints that this isnt acctual Piraty times...Soda machines, T-Shirts as awards so on. now in the end of Mi2 you end up in a bunch of odd rooms that resemble the maintence ducts of a ride at a theme park (If you have ever seen them) in these you see various details such as Huge over stuffed animals, A grog soda machine, Lost parent skeletons (Which an odd little detail if you look at the skeletons Guybrush says that it is his mom and dad), Boxes of voodoo dolls and root beer...so on Now as soon as you find out who LeChuck really is. A man walks up saying that you kids Shouldn't be down here. and you walk out of a odd house. NOT the exit or entrence of a ride. Now Ron Gilbert has said that it was inspried by the pirates of the caribean and he wished he could get off the ride and interact with all the characters. Now at the end of Mi2 his mother says numerous time 'I wish you wouldn't run off like that.' Meaning lil guybrush Ran off and onto some kind of pirate ride. So take a little kid getting on a ride similar to Pirates of the carabean. His imagination starts to wander and he gets caught up in it while on the ride (Not exactly an odd thing for a child to do, Haven't you ever gotten caught up day dreaming, imagining...reading..). The acctual ride is no more then a ride like pirates of the caribean but the childs imagination is turning all these characters around him into real people. Now he gets so caught up in it that he some how gets off of the ride or the ride acctually lets you walk around a pirate like world who knows (Allthough also at the end there is a sign pointing towars where Guybrush and Chuckie came out that says "Shows" So he might have been simply watching a pirate show)....while in the meantime Parents are mad that Guybrush ran off and send Brother after him...now Guybrush is still caught up in his imagination so he pictures his brother as this big mean pirate trying to capture him, when his brother is just trying to track him down in acctuality. So Guybrush is running around in this pirate ride and finally hits the last confrintation with Lechuck (AKA his brother) when finally he snaps out of it when he realises its simply his brother and a maitence man comes along and tells them they arent supposed to be in the maitnece shafts of the ride. So little kid snaps out of his imaginary world that he built and re-enters reality where parents are waiting angerilly. Now this still leaves loose-ends, Why does chuckies eyes glow afterwards? Why is Elaine waiting for guybrush saying she hopes LeChuck didn't cast a spell on him...so on. The only way I can explain them is that simply that it is a game/story and that as somebody else said many others worked on this game and since the real 3 which should have been written by ron gilbert has not/wont be made so we dont know the full story....There is more pieces to the puzzle that we do not have. I think Evil is right when it comes to the base of the story...but then there is still bigger parts to it that we dont know yet. at: 9/10/01 6:30:20 am |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 6:45:21 am) Reply |
Re: the big
shabang
youve given some good points for both theories, but I'm still just going to have to play thru again. Something that further proves Stalkleys Truman theory tho is the scene in the final confront with LeChuck in MI2, where Guybrush uses an elavator and randomly exits into the alley on Monkey Island. Like the qoute where RonG said some of the humor has a deeper meaning- I definitely think this is a prime example. And by the way, something that I suddenly realized: Monkey Island intro: the ever ambiguous "Somewhere deep in the Carribean"* anyone ever notice that there is no date? When this is done in movies, isn't it presumed present day? *---edit: forgot the word "deep" (how foolish of me) "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com Edited by: EvenWolf
at: 9/10/01 6:57:25 am |
| sylfer
Posts too much (9/10/01 7:20:46 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Esseb i found the interview: scummbar.mixnmojo.com/ron...view4.html But it appears Mixnmojo is down yet again BUT luckly i have the interview in my history and can view it offline so here is what is said: "Ron says he would make a new Monkey Island game immediately if he had the rights. He won't tell THE secret of Monkey Island yet" |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/10/01 10:22:49 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Man! Am I the only person in history who understood the end of 2001? The whole thing is the imagination of guybrush, who is actually the manifestation of suppressed childhood memories of an accountant in Birmingham, who is the dream of elaine, who's part of the imagination of Descartes (using the screen name Helm21 after hundreds of years out of the public eye) WHO IS ALL! I noticed the theme park not looking modern too. It's also just a cheap reworking of booty island. Does this mean the end was rushed? The whole lack of date, technology "What's a pump doing in a pirate game" I think was intended to show that it wasn't quite reality (The ghosts, zombies , three headed monkeys and the like obviously not convincing enough) Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| El
Bombalisto Newbie (9/10/01 10:33:26 am) Reply  |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
DESCRATES IS NOT ALL!I AM ALL!!!!1!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!! |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 10:55:45 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
but, I don't think it'll hurt if we keep exploring all the small details, you read Ron's qoute about double meanings...imagine if everything in MI tied up in the way that just makes you go "OMG, that is awesome!" I'd like to be able to invision MI3 as it was intended, I must have full Monkey Island experience! and why does Big Whoop resembling Booty mean that the end was rushed? Like I said, I'm most inclined towards the Guybrush's mind theory...here comes my example: while dreaming, a person normally exagerrates his own environment, for instance : his school. Except in dreaming, the environment shifts to meet the needs of the dream...not to mention that a person cant always keep a perfect visual representation in his mind for various reasons. So anyways, as I was saying- I don't think they rushed the end, I think that is just a hint that Guybrush was dreaming after all, using Big Whoop as his mental guide for the island of Booty. And it just so happens i have a reason for the semblance for the Truman theory: Ever watch Sliders? well the voodoo lady mentioned alter dimensions...hmm, i have more plotting to do. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 11:04:36 am) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
i think someone's trying to set up helm. you can tell by their flagrant use of helm's signature !!!!!!1!!!!1!!!!!! please stop this insanity, or atleast make a "vent" forum where ppl can make all the stupid fake posts they want. and furthermore on helm's defense: he's alot more excited about these theories then to just pop in and say that retarded crap....damn im good. "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 12:40:25 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
ok, sorry, I've been thinking alot about this lately-obviously. I'd like to point out another tasty vittle assisting the Truman-based theory: Monkey island two was told (played) in Medias res* which breaks down like this: Beginning takes place in present were a character meets another character (or what have you) and begins telling his story of "how i got here" The Middle takes place in this character's narration..normally being the bulk of the story. and The End takes place back in the present when the narration meets back up (to the present) so of course in MI2's case, this would be: beginning: Elaine finds Guybrush dangling, guybrush begins to tell his story to Elaine. middle: Guybrush's whole piratey adventure up to dinky island end: wraps up his story, falls down hole, fights LeChuck. now that alone doesn't prove anything and neither does what im about to state, but it does bring up something to think about: medias res style stories have been around for a long time, and can be credited to Homer's "the Odyssey" (basically one of the first epic stories recorded in history(still in existence today). Homer created medias res, and I believe that Ron G's use of this style was no coincidence... the Odyssey (for all you non-reading ,non-greeks out there) is a story about a dude who goes thru 40 yrs of @#%$ just in order to get home, basically everything he does is a mistake that costs him years and years of agony, kind of like Guybrush and his constant blundering, you with me? Now, the hero in the odyssey, what he doesn't know is that the gods are watching him all along the way and when he stabs a Cyclops in the eye- he's really f%cked- the Cyclops is a god's son. So basically my point is, when Ron was doing his concept design- maybe he had parts of the Odyssey in mind- except he didn't want the gods to be so obvious, he wanted to save them for a sequel..of course gods could be anything- a tycoon like Ed Norton in truman or lots things...and he also wanted odysseus's blunderings which cost him the mere convenience of going home--in Guybrush's character. Forces working against him. *medias res-" in the midst of things " "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/10/01 1:21:11 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Okay, so first it's the Being John Malkovich theory where Guybrush enters his own subconscience, then it's the Truman show theory where they're trapped in this bubble, and now it's the Odyssey theory?!?! Narritive fiction has eight basic stories (Frensham, 1996) (Yeap... Here comes an essay) : 1. Achilles - Fatal flaw in hero that leads to downfall 2. Candide - Innocent abroad, the hero who cannot be kept down 3. Cinderella - Dream come true, unrecognised virtue 4. Circe - The chase; innocent and the victim 5. Faust - Selling your sould to the devil; the long term debt 6. Orpheus - Gift taken away, loss of something personal 7. Romeo and Juliet - Boy meets girl, etc... 8. Tristan - Two characters want to be together, but there's that pesky third character buggering things up... For example, MI contains elements of 2, 3, 4, 7, and 8... Seeing as how most narratives use these main stories as part of their construction, isn't it possible that both the Odyssey and MI coincidentally borrow some similar elements? I think we're misunderstanding the use of LeChuck's narrative function here... He is an antagonist (similar to Malvolio in Shakespeare's Twelfth Night) and not an overlord (like Feste the clown in Twelfth Night)... My proof of this is that at times, Guybrush has power over him too, for example in his use of Voodoo and magic I.e. His uses of the "root beer" in MI1, the "voodoo doll" in MI2... Although LeChuck overcomes Guybrush's power at the end of MI2, it is because of Guybrush's re-attachment of LeChuck's leg... Thus, Guybrush's naive nature fails him, similar to the 1st basic story... If LeChuck really was an overlord, then his power, and Guybrush's subconscience "reality", would disappear imediately when Guybrush sprays him with the "root beer" in MI... If he had done that, his whole world would have ceased to exist imediately... Instead, we are treated to a fireworks display, Guybrush and Elaine getting together, and Guybrush learning (as one of the options) not to spend thirty bucks on a computer game... (Further testiment that Guybrush knows he's in a computer game, as opposed to a theme park ride... If he'd said something like "Not to spend seven dollars on a theme park ride ticket", I'd be more inclined to agree with this current theory) Also, LeChuck would be able to distort Guybrush's reality as soon as he'd returned from the dead... But he can't because he and Largo are still chasing him while he searches for the Big Whoop maps... Guybrush's reality is only distorted when he and LeChuck are both at Big Whoop, and not at any other place or time... That is not to say that Big Whoop is the doorway between reality and fantasty, but rather to say that whatever was in Big Whoop is probably the second biggest mystery ever... And the first biggest mystery? The ticket at the end of Monkey Island 2... What was it's use? If it was a theme park the whole itme, why did Guybrush acquire it only when he reached the end of Big Whoop and not (like most theme park rides) the beginning... If you ask me, the real Monkey island 3 had to do with that ticket Guybrush finds at the end of Monkey Island 2... The whole theme park thing at the end stems from THAT TICKET!!! In fact, has anyone played MI2 and not picked up the ticket at the end??? I can't remember if I have or not... - DGMacphee Ref: Frensham, R. G. (1996) Screenwriting, whatever the publisher was... Availiable at all good bookstores!!!
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 1:34:46 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
I could remember a few unused inventory items including that damned love-bomb! "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Esseb Expert (9/10/01 1:38:02 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Actually, I'm more inclined to think of it as an entire amusement park not one ride. I.e, Big Whoop is one ride, the one all kids want to ride on and stand 40 mins. in line for, hence the ticket at the end. I also think it's just a spell LeChuck cast on Guybrush, but the above theory still abides. I.e the dream world/alternate dimension LeChuch sends Guybrush to has to make sense to Guybrush and his experiences. Is it possible that LeChuck put a spell on Guybrush before the Star Wars rip-off scene? Gee, I hope I spelled that right. |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/10/01 1:39:59 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
That was a plot device to get you to go to Wally's home and read the message scratched on his table... It wasn't used that well... A cut scene would have been better I guess... But it was a part of the voodoo bag (which was used) that also contained the matches (which were used too)...
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| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/10/01 2:35:37 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Zoiks. Ok, here's the theory I think makes the most sense, taking into account all the stuff Ron said and all the clues. Guybrush is a little kid in real life. His family goes to some amusement park and he runs off in a very Calvinesque manner. He gets into this 'Pirates of the Caribbean' ride/show thing and his imagination goes nuts. He sneaks backstage and starts imagining being a part of this 'world'. Yadda yadda yadda. Big adventures. Now, the ending is the only part that we don't have enough details to work out. So here's my theory, again, taking into account everything that's been said. His parents send his big brother 'Chucky' to find him, and Guybrush turns him into his evil nemesis that he has to defeat. Makes sense, but what about the glowy eyes thing and the Elaine at the hole thing? Well, he's a kid, so maybe this is just a kid version of 'to be continued'. He was forced to end his fantasy so maybe he's incorporating it into the fantasy itself. In other words, he turned his brother finding him and bringing him back to his parents into the evil pirate LeChuck putting a spell on him while his love awaits his return, kind of. Seems to make sense, although I don't really get what MI3 would have been about. I mean, this seems to complete the story, unless Guybrush manages to get away on sneak back into the ride, which would seem redundant and wouldn't leave much room for a cool ending, besides wrapping up all the loose ends. Maybe MI3 would have been about Guybrush's narrow escape from LeChucks spell. The entire game could have been about him trying to get back into the ride. We need to somehow get Ron Gilbert to read this. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/10/01 2:41:04 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
But what about the ticket Guybrush picks up at the ???END??? of the ride?
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| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/10/01 2:54:34 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
Ah. Another clue? When Guybrush first meets Elaine (one of my favorite scenes), he acts all goofy and can't say anything (MMFDHJSK, SNJOEDNOKSM, DDSMDOM). I remember when I was you know, 'at that age' I felt similarily awkward with girls. Anyways, as for the ticket, well, hmmm. Let me make something up. Maybe the ride is for I don't know, ages 13 and up or 'you must be this tall' or something, so he isn't able to buy a ticket per se. He sneaks in, but since he never really got in the legit way, he never 'became a pirate'. Oooh. Wait a sec. Maybe his whole obsession with becoming a pirate is a 'coming of age' thing. He feels left out, like he has to prove something. His big quest is to get the ticket and prove that he's grown up. Woo. That might be stretching it, but I kinda like it. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Nostradamus Expert (9/10/01 4:27:28 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
The "LeChuck cast a spell on Guybrush to make him a kid" doesn't explain the Truman Show theory because the Truman Show is about making a guy believe he's living in the real world while everything and everyone around him is actualy fake, but that fake world is in the real world and made like the real world. In the REAL world, THERE ARE NO SPELLS!! RodeKill's theory of "Guybrush is really a kid imagining all this" makes more sense. Nostradamus' tip of the day: the best visions of the future I see happen when I'm on the toilet! Success and prosperity will befold AGS, thus sayeth the great Nostradamus. |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/10/01 5:12:15 pm) Reply |
Re: the secret of
monkey island
looks like my original post has got an interesting debate going... does anybody have ron's email *evil grin* |
| bspeers77 Unregistered User (9/10/01 5:18:39 pm) Reply |
The final answer....
well, of course not.
Guybrush is a real pirate in another dimension. All the clues about an amusement park are all magic worked by LeChuck. At the end, LeChuck's eyes are glowing because his fantasy world is complete. Now Guybrush is trapped in a world he *thinks* is real. He *thinks* he's actually a child, when he, in fact is an adult. This would explain why there's the worry from the (apparently very real) woman whose name I can't remember that LeChuck put a spell on our hero, and the glowing eyes. And it would explain why the "modern" world has people dressed as pirates... because the fantasy world being created by LeChuck could only be a product of his imagination, limited by his own time and place, not having knowledge of the modern world... OR LeChuck is a part of an elaborate theme-park, but has somehow been endowed with real magic (think of the name... LeChuck... like the evil doll Chucky from the famous horror movies--an evil animatronic doll with real evil magic). So the kid goes into the theme park, perhaps some real, some enhanced by his imagination, but he gets caught up in it, and the evil Chucky doll uses his magic to help our hero get him out of the ride and into the reall world... which is why his eyes glow at the end. Of course, I haven't actually played the game... I'd like to though... is there any *wink wink, nod nod, say no more* way to experience this well loved adventure game legend? |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/10/01 5:49:24 pm) Reply |
Re: The final
answer.... well, of course not.
"Guybrush is a real pirate in another dimension. All the clues about an amusement park are all magic worked by LeChuck. At the end, LeChuck's eyes are glowing because his fantasy world is complete. Now Guybrush is trapped in a world he *thinks* is real. He *thinks* he's actually a child, when he, in fact is an adult." now THAT i like |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/10/01 5:50:42 pm) Reply |
Re: The final
answer.... well, of course not.
i think we're missing the point with all the ideas that guybrush is really a child i don't think ron would have such a cop-out ending like that if he was planning on making a 3rd game |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/10/01 6:30:46 pm) Reply |
Re: The final
answer.... well, of course not.
Yeah, but that's too obvious. The first thing you think of when you see the ending is "Oh, LeChuck put a spell on Guybrush" There's more to it for sure. We're talking about the actual secret of monkey island, not the ending of MI2 which leads to another sequel. Think about it. Guybrush rides the elevator to the top and finds the alley from MI1... Is it because of a spell, or is it a set from the 'ride'? All the clues point to it being imaginary. All of the modern references and stuff... Unless LeChuck put the spell on him waaay back in the beginning of MI1. I refuse to believe that the ending of MI2 is simply there to be taken at face value. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 10:23:30 pm) Reply |
"little guybrush's
imagination"
this is all getting so interesting, and its so hard to stay open minded about each new theory/opinion that's brought up. Stalkley, altho your idea was great and served as the catalyst for this whole debate, I thank you, however I don't feel the Truman show theory is the one I'm going to go with.. here are some thoughts to be added to the "guybrush's mind while running off in a theme park" theory. (Rodekill, i like the stuuf you brought up just to let you know): okay, what RodeKill summarized as Guybrushrunning around the park, chuckie being sent after him etc. but I'd like to add my little twist which is my explanation for the glare in Chuckie's eyes (this builds off of Stalkley's idea) ok, so Guybrush is daydreaming or whathave you and Chuckie is sent to find him...guybrush exagerrates this and adds his brother to his dream as an undead ghost pirate...etc. now here's something: what if some of Guybrush's fantasies (lechuck) found something on Monkey Island (which would also be in GB's head) which revealed to him that he was only part of a dream. This could explain why LeChuck resents Guybrush so much and won't let him have Elaine....and, what if somehow LeChuck figured out a way to cross-over from Guybrush's mind and enter the physcial realm (embodying Guybrush's brother Chuckie)? so i believe that the Secret of Monkey Island is: "it's all in Guybrush's head" and that's what LeChuck found out. If anyone likes this idea, help me figure out how marrying Elaine is involved, thank you. |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/10/01 10:42:38 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
My point of view is the very restricted "sick and twisted 13 year old imagination theory" Points: 1. "I was send by the I.R.S!!!!" "by who?" (in MI2) 2. the elvis plate in the store (in MI2) 3.Where are you from? All the answers where contemporary locations (in the Library in MI2) theres HELL of a lot more...
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| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/10/01 10:55:32 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
yes helm, I agree: there are tons of those little references in both games. Have we all agreed that those are slips in Guybrush's imagination? ie: a kid wouldn't know that vending machines werent around in piratey times, so on. (I also believe that the parts where guybrush finds himself in a maintenance tunnel is also a slip of his imagination). "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/10/01 10:57:41 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
Same here.the truman theory is not my bag.When I was younger,I thought there were mainainance ducts under my house that went until the core of the earth.Cant see why Guybrush couldnt make something out of an island.
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| Nostradamus Expert (9/11/01 11:37:30 am) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
I thought the MI1 alley in MI2 and the forest scene in from MI1 which appears in CMI are only jokes. But now that you look at those this way it's interesting... Nostradamus' tip of the day: the best visions of the future I see happen when I'm on the toilet! Success and prosperity will befold AGS, thus sayeth the great Nostradamus. |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/11/01 12:42:59 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
except i wouldnt consider the stump much, since Gilbert's vision wasn't used in CMI. I bet someone on the project just thought it would be funny so they ripped off the alley scene. Helm told me to forget about the LeChuck found out that he was in Guybrush's head theory...i'm trying to but so far its the best thing ive come up with...and I'm thinking that's what the four pirates who found the Big Whoop discovered, that they were in a dream, so they buried it so noone else would know. anyways, I also found the ultimate guybrush is a kid reference: USE KNIFE ON _____- "No, my scoutmaster would kill me.." implying that he was(?) a boyscout....or is(?) "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/11/01 1:00:25 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
Couldn't all the vending machines, contempory references in the library, and everything else just be clever anachorisms put in by Ron Gilbert because they were quite humourous? Y'know? A vending machine in piratey-times? BTW, I don't see how an Elvis plate relates to Guybrush being a child...
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| Spyros21
Moderator (9/11/01 1:43:44 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
I think guybrush is an actor and he knows that we're watching him cos in MI4 he says to the dart players "Shoot him up there" and the player throw the dart and breaks your monitor. BWAHAHAHAHAHA I was just kidding , go on with your theories
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| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/11/01 2:22:27 pm) Reply |
Re: "little guybrush's
imagination"
Well, I don't really agree with the LeChuck finds out he's in Guybrush's head thing. I still think that the glowy eyes thing is Guybrush's imagination and part of his whole 'to be continued' thing. :::::::::::::::::::::::................ |
| Lee Harvey
Oswald Unregistered User (9/15/01 11:50:54 am) Reply |
not just
guybrush?
Sorry if this post seems rushed but, well, it is. My theory is that the whole thing is a joint fantasy between Guybrush and Elaine. LeChuck believes that if he forms a strong bond with either of the real world characters then he can escape into reality. I knowthat was a bit vague, but Ill try and explain myself better later on. |
| Esseb Expert (9/15/01 3:36:59 pm) Reply |
Re: not just
guybrush?
DGMacphee: I meant the star wars rip off at the end of the game "Guybrush. I, I am your brother", and Guybrush never goes on the big whoop ride, does he? If it's just a schoolboys dream I suspect the real names of Guybrush and LeChuck would be Guy and Chuck, both names being contemporary. Elvis plates are sold at most antique shops etc. and it's not hard to find a shop that sells atleast one. Another theory for Chuck's glowing eyes: Part of the fantasy from Guy's head jumped over to his brother. I.e. Guy seemed to forget all about Guybrush while Chuck seems to have aquired LeChuck's personality. That is, of course, only if it's a shoolboys dream, which I refuse to believe because it's a too simple solution, even simpler than LeChuck putting a spell on him. I hated the ending of MI2 before I realised there could be another reason why it ended with Guybrush as a kid rather than him having imagined it all. I doubt Ron Gilbert will reveal the secret, but Mods seems to be quite good at hunting down and torturing, erm, I mean, questioning, er, "interviewing" professional adventure game developers. So give it a shot Mods, please, pretty please. Gee, I hope I spelled that right. |
| monkeyspank2 Posts too much (9/15/01 5:31:58 pm) Reply  |
Re: not just
guybrush?
If people would ever make a project like the truman show (one day in the far future) they could make a pirate-like enviroment etc. -=...and so we lay, we lay in the same grave, our chemical wedding day...=- |
| sylfer
Break out the Bubbly (9/15/01 9:45:22 pm) Reply |
Re: not just
guybrush?
Going on Essebs idea...Wouldn't It be pretty crazy if in the real Monkey Island 3 you became LeChuck? because Now chuckie is imagining things...I dunno doubtful, but a weird thought. |
| Rodekill77 Moderator (9/15/01 10:53:41 pm) Reply |
nbiub
Hmm. So Chuck is now imagining himself going after Guy. And he looks like a bully so naturally he'd picture himself as the bad guy... Hmmmm. Cool idea. |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/16/01 2:42:10 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
I tend to think that the end of MI2 was left ambiguious intentionally, and Ron didn't know what was going on either. That, or it was the fact that Guybrush was under a curse thing that was developed in a sense into CMI. I think the whole kid thing would be far too much a cop out. Anyway, references to the player are common in adventure games and the whole game is meant to be cartoony to a degree, so all instances of technology, elvis etc are just for laughs. I'd be warey of reading too much into it, lest I become someone who gives up washing because of an interpretation of a biblical verse, or take every one of Jesus's metaphors as statements. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| sylfer
Break out the Bubbly (9/16/01 2:59:32 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
Ya but Las, Ron says in a bunch of interviews that the extra things are in there for laughs but they also are little hints about what the story is really about. and he said that if we knew the truth we'd go...'oh, thats dumb' so the kid thing seems like its kinda a dumb cop out...so it matches there...and the man who made it says that there is bigger signifagance to all the extras.. |
| EvenWolf
Posts too much (9/16/01 9:28:15 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
like i said, I don't mind reading too much into it, in fact i rather enjoy it. I must know the Secret! hehe "No pirates were harmed in the duration of this post" www.illegalhumor.com |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/16/01 9:42:40 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
Now that Ron is out of the seiries he could be leading us on. I know I would. It wasn't completely in a n interview, it was in an IRC chat, so he could have been working off the top of his head. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| dgmacphee Posts too much (9/16/01 3:52:18 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
How about this then.... Guybrush is really Ron Gilbert in a former life, because Ron said in interviews that HE wished that HE could walk around the Pirates of the Carribean ride... And LeChuck is really his BROTHER, Chuckie... And his Uncle is STAN... and his great-grandmother is that VOODOO LADY... AND his TRAPMENT at BIG WHOOP relates to his TRAPMENT at LUCASARTS... IT is all IN this INTERVIEW: (Shit... where's that URL...) By THE way, I should STOP talking LIKE a character IN BASS, shouldn't I?
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| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/16/01 7:28:38 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
DID BASS really DO that? I DIDNT notice.
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| monkeyspank2 Posts too much (9/16/01 9:15:19 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
What if monkey island is just what it is a pirate game with a weird time loop. Time gets confused and things get mixed up. Grog machines start popping up, etc. Then some time loops afterwards guybrush becomes lechuck, hunting himself to stop all the madness and the time loops.. Just a stupid thought. -=...and so we lay, we lay in the same grave, our chemical wedding day...=- |
| monkeyspank2 Posts too much (9/16/01 9:27:32 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
I also noticed that there was no date in the game, but in MI3, there is a year on that coin. But MI3 wasn't made by Ron, so I guess it doesn't count. -=...and so we lay, we lay in the same grave, our chemical wedding day...=- |
| Dark
Stalkey Knows their stuff (9/17/01 8:28:00 am) Reply |
Re: nbiub
ck, im playing through bass at the moment and its incredibly annoying when they put the verbs in captials!! |
| Las
Naranjas Moderator (9/17/01 12:24:44 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
I NEVER did understand WHY they did THAT. They didn't accentuate them in the voices or anything. Os quests da casa não me começam mesmo que começa em quests da casa! |
| Helm21
Fountain of Knowledge (9/17/01 1:35:03 pm) Reply |
Re: nbiub
Same here.It IS just stupid.
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